Just through i would clarify this since this is not the first time Sci-Fi (or rather SyFy) has made this mistake. They are not trying to recreate the big bang, that would require all the mass in existance, which would be pretty hard to get no matter how much money they have. What they are trying to do is shoot particles at each other really fast, which is what happened after the big bang. Some how this is supposed to find thie Higgs Boson, I personally don't get it myself, but this is not dangerous at all. They are not going to destory the universe by creeating the big bang, they are just going to simulate the after effects in a controlled area away from people (but apearently not bread.) I assure you, while scary sounding, it is very safe.

I do not see the LHC causing the "big Bang, or even black-holes that people have been fearing and causing all sorts of hype about. This is a chance for some amazing discoveries. and IF (key word IF) a black hole is created, it will be so microscopic that it will swallow it's self and not even be detected by the strongest equipment that we currently have available. (and IF it was possible that a time traveler came back to warn us of the destruction of the earth due to the LHC, How could there have been an Earth for him to build the time travel device to get back her to tell us about it's destruction?)

I'd like to clarify that there is a thing called sarcasm that folks like to use for a sense of levity.

Also there's a spell checker in most browsers.

To clarify, Shade, the idea is not that a "time traveler" (shame on you, SyFy: at least accurately represent the crackpot theories) came back to sabotage the LHC. Rather, Nielsen and Ninomiya claim that there is something so fundamentally repugnant about the Higgs boson that, through "reverse chronological causation," its discovery in the future somehow is influencing the past to prevent it from occurring in the first place.

See, it makes perfect sense.

Why is it that some people always focus on spelling and grammer and ignore the real issue or subject? Is it because they are obsessive compulsive? Is it because they like to provoke anger and deflect discussion away from the important issues? Is it because they are just angry, lonely people who don't know how to relate to others in a civil, polite and productive manner?

Jeese, I could have saved these guys a lot of time and money. I just had a Black & Tan with Higgs Boson at the Black Hole pub outside of Surrey. Great guy. I'll let him know the Large Hardon guys are looking for him but I gotta tell you, he doesn't appear to swing that way if you know what I mean.

Agreed, they are not creating a 'big bang' but they are trying to create conditions that existed moments after it occurred. The real danger here is with the Higgs Boson itself. Creation of that particle alone could cause some interesting things to happen. It is tue that all of those theories are on the low side of probability but I would NOT want to be around if an HB actually does rip a new universe into being.

No it would not be in our dimension or membrane but it is a very very small possibility.

Gumsandals, Boson still owes me a large chunk of cash for his bar tab - please tell him that I'm after him as well - thieving git.

I also think people are focussing on the Higgs Boson a bit much. They hope to find it, same for maybe dark matter and a whole lot of other things. There is a reason so many scientists from just about every field are working on it, because there will be a lot of data and questions answered and new ones created.

Stephen Hawking has betted against them finding the Higgs Boson by the way.

But they won't be traversing the many terraflops of data just for the Higs Boson.

> Large Hadron Collider fully armed

It is YEARS away from being "fully armed"

"...Oh, I'm afraid the deflector shield will be quite operational when your friends arrive..."

A Damocles sword has been hang on the future of mankind. CERN misinforms mankind. The Large Hadron Collider is a quark factory that will deconfine millions of quarks, the strongest, most attractive particles of the Universe. They carry the Atom’s mass, caged inside their nuclei. 99% of LHC’s production will consist on superfluid Quark condensates, a new state of matter, defined by Einstein, in which Quarks fusion together, creating hyper-dense, attractive tornado-like vortices with properties similar to black holes. Astro-physicists fear that if enough quarks are pegged together in one of those condensates, they can trigger a mass-reaction that would attract all the other quarks of the Earth, transforming our planet into a dense pulsar or black hole. The European Nuclear Company that will manufacture them, called CERN, affirms they won’t pose any danger, because according to a theory proposed by Mr. Hawking, small Black holes will evaporate in a burst of energy, before they can attract the mass of this planet. Yet Mr. Hawking’s theory has never been proved and it contradicts Einstein’s Relativity. So to prove Mr. Hawking’s right, 2 experiments were devised last year: a satellite called Fermi was launched to detect radiating black holes in the cosmos, but it failed to find any. A second test was done, manufacturing superfluid condensates, similar to those CERN will make with quarks; but formed with lighter, inoffensive ‘electro-weak’ Atoms. Those ‘atomic holes’ rotate 1 million times slower, absorbing sound ‘phonons’ instead of light ‘photons’ - reason why they are called dumb holes, instead of black holes. So, this June in an experiment at Haifa, Atomic Condensates rotating at supersonic speed became Dumb holes and absorbed sounds. Problem is they didn’t evaporate, proving that Quark Condensates, made at CERN, will absorb light & matter without evaporation. Because in Nature all what is possible happens (Totalitarian principle), Quark Holes should happen at LHC, making prohibitive for Public Policy the risks for Earth of a quark factory in this planet. CERN affirms LHC carries no risk, but critics contest neither Haifa or Fermi showed evaporation and the Company’s safety report doesn’t study Quark Condensates, which were little known when the factory was designed.
We are talking f a serious issue of national security, industrial corruption and the first potential genocide of the human race, for the sake of an obsolete industry relic of the cold war. As science stands today, there is a big chance this can happen, making it the biggest potential genocide of history. That this is allowed by mankind is a 'monstrosity' that can only be explained in the present age in which human values are irrelevant to what Eric Fromm called technological values:
‘Technological civilization is programmed by the principle that something ought to be done because it is technologically possible. If it is possible to build nuclear weapons, they must be built, even If they might destroy us all. Once this principle is accepted, humanist Values (something has to be done because it is needed by man) are Dethroned and technological development becomes the foundation of ethics'.

Eric Fromm, father of political psychology

The LHC is an industrial con-cern with little use for the advancement of science. Today those of us who are at the edge of research in science consider this machine obsolete. We are studying, after Hubble proved the fractal structure of the Universe and Nottale explained it unifying quantum and relativity (in what concerns the fractal structure of spacetime) the fractal paradigm in a Universe of infinite hierarchical scales in which big-bangs don’t happen. Which means the background radiation can only be created in real time by micro-black holes as those CERN will create, which according to Einstein will produce by gravitational lensing this exact 2.7k radiation, when their mass is that of a moon. This means the Universe is full of dark matter black holes, which have eaten the commonest planetoid on the galaxy, a moon. And so the collisions at CERN will have a big chance to do so with the Earth. Cern affirms this is impossible, but it does so because it sticks to the probabilistic/quantum paradigm previous to the topological/Non-Euclidean/Fractal Einsteinian paradigm, in which black holes are fractals of quarks, the substance CERN will deconfine. Thus, black holes will be frozen stars as Einstein called them. In those models the Universe is a deterministic topology and reality is created with energy and mass, which is physical information, ‘form’ - hence there is not quantum entropy and information paradoxes, black holes do NOT evaporate but as Einstein explains, transform energy into quarks, mass/information that balances the Universe. In those models the probability of extinction is huge... CERN should be halted for a decade till the theoretical issues prove it is safe or prove the fractal paradigm and put the risk close to 100%
What cern has done is to follow the usual systems of industrial corruption that allow all industrial crimes to happen a priori, and then we realize that ‘experts’ are often corrupted, that ‘latin jargons’ are the High priests’ secret talk to hide that corruption, that ‘AAA-derivatives’ turn out to be toxic financial scams and black holes turn out to eat planets and stars, but in this issue there won’t be turn back. The easiest job is to ‘believe’ on the Company and voice out its 'ad hominem' campaigns against those of us who denounced the crime, voice out its false statements (cern portrays the quark factory as a cosmic ray factory, when we never found quarks in cosmic rays), its marketing campaigns (the god' s particle, the big-bang hype), and print its paid-by articles. It is easy for clueless politicians to take the money of high-tech corporations and the Nuclear Industry behind this con-cern. So now that all is set mankind will live with a Damocles sword for years to come. If you want to see a real documentary on the facts of this concern, visit www.lhcdefence.org. Many lives are at risk, real lives of real people, as never before. Today mankind has no defense because the judiciary, politicians and the press who should check and denounce the excesses of companies and governments are not doing their job of warning the population and so private individuals have to step forward, obviously with far less efficiency as our suits against this company which judges have refused to accept, have shown. More shameful is the massive censorship of mass-media in this issue, accepting the infantile lies of CERN and its marketing campaigns without any critical thought, even laughing at the fact that technology has crossed now in the age of the ‘singularity’, of machines whose energy is so awesome that can extinguish our species. Fromm indeed understood the future better than all those ‘boys with big toys’ working at the factory of black holes. ‘Alea Jacta Est’ said the Nuclear industry and the chorus of journalists responded ‘Ave Caesar, morituri te salutant’ . 50 years of fiction tvs seem to have degraded the collective subconscious of mankind to allow this dark day in which the first factory of dark matter was inaugurated with cheers of those it menaces to wipe out from the face of the earth.

omg wall of text argghhhh!!!

since everyone else seems to be posting ...but saying pretty much nothing... i thought i should do the same :)

Amen @ Roffe!

My only concern with CERN is the creation of Micro Singularities (Black Holes). There are many reasons to fear a Black Hole aside from the obvious being pulled in and.
- There’s the risk of Gamma Rays creation, which is a health hazard.
- Then there’s Time Dilatation, which could cause any number of issues.
- There’s Gravitational Lensing, which could interfere with line of sight.
- Gravity Wells that could potentially through off magnetic fields.
- The gas jets that could release god knows what?
- Increasing Mass, could the Black Hole increase in size?
- And an number of other potential unknowns.
- Plus if one was created, what kind of technology exists if any at all to contain it?

But I am all for the CERN Tests, we can only grow and enhance our technology by moving forward and proving/disproving current theories. I just hope we don’t let our Pride be the death of us.

The LHC is not doing anything that is occuring naturally in our atmosphere every day and at much higher energy levels.

The only difference is tthe LHC is doing it infront of a detector and on demand so we can study it.

I hope it blows up, they all die and the billions of dollars being spent on it goes to those who need it. Screw answering irrelevant questions, it won’t change anyone’s mind about anything. it’s simply giving some people $80,000/year jobs for an always extending period of time.

Screw it. Fire it up. No more testing. Let's just turn this thing on and if we accidentally create a solar system eating black hole, then we probably won't live long enough to care.

So who's with me? No one? Crap. I guess that's why I'm not at the controls.

@ somethingrand0m

So you would argue that scientific advance actually keeps us from progressing?

You have to spend money to make money. The advances and discoveries of all things create jobs - who do you think got paid to build the thing - certainly not Doctorate level scientist! It was regular folk. Had to dig the holes, lay the foundations, ect, ect, ect....

Even digging up Dino bones helps poor locals make extra cash by digging up dirt and bones - it is not useless.

Your the guy that told Ug not to work on rubbin two sticks together to make fire because he should be hunting. Well, thanks to Ug, WE - generations on generations later - can do everything between necessary task like cooking to un-necessary things like listening to iPods.

I like to think Ug smack "that" guy up side the head with a fiery stick when he asked Ug to use fire to cook his meat.

---- as for death by Hadron Collider... If the world is ending on 2012 anyway... I can''t even finish that joke, lol, you bunch of idiots.

@ Sir Cob

I don’t argue with scientific advances, I argue with meaning less crap that honestly won’t help out the world. They aren’t trying to figure out how to make the world “greener”, last longer, or for that matter help out humanity if any way with the exception possibly trying to create matter from nothing.

Ug helped to create fire (useful to mandkind)

I’m failing to see where this Hadron Collider is going to be beneficial to mankind is all.

@ somethingrand0m

I doubt Ug truly understood how beneficial fire would be to mankind, either. Scientific discoveries almost always have surprising results as they are used by the culture around them.

@ somethingrand0m

The benefit is knowledge. We may grunt and growl in algebra class because we may never use it in real-life. But why is it necessary for us to know it then.

The reason is because you may use it - it is important knowledge that can help you in the complex world out there.

The Hadron Collider will hopefully reward us with knowledge about the beginnings of the universe. Nothing is lost at discovering our universe - how can we hope to understand, use, or even someday navigate through it if we never took the time to understand it.

If we never spent billions on science for mundane or trivial information, we would never live in comfort with the immensely complicated devices we take for granted everyday.

--- not to mention the vast amount of discoveries made through the centuries by accident by working on projects like these.

@ Mihos ,you should have said "The LHC is not doing anything that is NOT ALREADY occurring naturally in our atmosphere/universe every day and at much higher energy levels.

But,I fully agree.
I hope they find the Higgs Boson ,for those of us smart enough to know what that means,it will be a gigantic discovery for those who don't know what it is or could care less are religiously lost and can't be talked to or helped.