what about building 7

i dont care how they want to cover it up, a building doesnt collapse onto itself at freefall speeds with no resistance without being aided by explosives,

if your going to nay say then just look at videos of buildings collapsing in earthquakes that have split in 2 in the middle on a tower and the top half has fallen away staying intact and not collapsed into the bottom of the building from its fail point where it has split.

if anything if the middle section truly did give way, there would have been far more destruction and a lot of the trade centre floors bellow would of remained intact and the building would of fallen towards the side of impact and destroyed surrounding buildings

I feel sorry for anyone stupid enough to believe this conspiracy crap.. The reasons that make you stupid would go on forever.

But I'm just going to point out this freefall myth: There are clear videos that show debris falling faster than the rest of the building. Furthermore, if you count the time UNTIL IT COMPLETELY COLLAPSES, you'll find that it wasn't in freefall at all. Lastly, the fact that the towers didnt topple over is a tribute to the structural integrity of the design and the brilliance of the engineers that built it.

There really is no point convincing conspiracy nuts otherwise though.. The inability to learn is usually what makes you an idiot in the first place.

This is bupkus.

Kerosene by itself, even in laboratory conditions, DOES NOT burn hot enough to even remotely weaken the structural-grade steel used in the WTC buildings. It just isn't possible. What numbers are these guys using in their "model"?

Not to mention the fact that there were thermitic explosive residues found in materials recovered from the WTC site (source: http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/thermite/explosive_residues.html and http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/content.php?TOCPJ/2009/00000002/00000001/7TOCPJ.SGM).

And again, what about Building 7? I'm a firefighter who has studied building construction and collapse, and building of that size with a such a minute fire in relation to the overall size of the structure will not bring it down. It just doesn't add up.

REALLT FACTERONE ? EXACTLY WHAT CREADIBLE SOURCE DO YOU USE? THE ON YOU GAVE WAS DEBUNKED AS COMPLETELY FALSE YEARS AGO.TO QUOTE AN OLD SONG"THE LUNITICS HAVE TAKEN OVER THE ASYLUM"

REALLT FACTERONE ? EXACTLY WHAT CREADIBLE SOURCE DO YOU USE? THE ON YOU GAVE WAS DEBUNKED AS COMPLETELY FALSE YEARS AGO.TO QUOTE AN OLD SONG"THE LUNITICS HAVE TAKEN OVER THE ASYLUM"

Tinfoil hats! Getcher tinfoil hats here! Can't keep out the gubbermint satellite mind-control rays widout yer tinfoil hat!

My god. These people are actually allowed to roam the streets without adult supervision. And what's even scarier - they can vote!

Oh, and as for thermite - do you know what it is? It's iron and aluminum. You don't suppose maybe some iron and aluminum might have been used in the construction of a modern skyscraper, do you? Naw. Thye'd use bones and rocks.

God please kill all the stupid people, and hurry.

Man, it really is impossible to convince some people of things, even with presented with irrefutable evidence.

Oh, by the way, we didn't film the "Moon shot" in a Hollywood sound stage either.

You can't argue with a really dedicated conspiracy theorist no more than you can argue with a really religious person. They will just google up some more reasons they are right ignoring all the reasons they are wrong, then sum up their *point* by calling you stupid.
I have even heard people site
http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/Flatearthsociety.htm
as their source.....

"I'm a firefighter who has studied building construction and collapse, and building of that size with a such a minute fire in relation to the overall size of the structure will not bring it down. It just doesn't add up."
HAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!
Firefighters don't even have to have a college education. What have you studied exactly... How large structures can or cannot withstand a plane impact. That seems very specific for a trade that isn't super information intensive.

@iamthemovie, actually some departments to require degrees. Depends which one you go to and the state you're in.

Either way, I was one of those conspiracy theorists for a while on this 9/11 thing but after further research, it actually makes sense why they collapsed. I mean our country's bridges and road infrastructure is failing, I'm sure the WTC weren't up to par either.

You can't reason with zealots. Thats all these folks are, zealots who thought they were too cool for church, so they picked up another religion.

Seriously, look at all these people, Bunch of 9-5 uneducated proles who think they're physicists. They read a couple of pages of info produced by a ridiculously biased and pretty clearly deranged party and they think they know all about impact forces, structural stress, etc and so on. They think they're a board of bloody crash commissioners. What's really funny is when you talk to one long enough for them to run out of their stockpile of pre-packaged conspiracy information, go ahead and debunk all of that crap (pretty easy) and watch them flop around like fish out of water as they attempt to debate the issue using their own words and logic. Its great stuff, when you know they know they're just lying but they're so desperately trying to make something up that will convert you.

What about building 7? It wasnt even hit by a plane, was smaller that both Towers, blocks away and it still fell the same way. Explain that.

If this theory were true by itself and the beams softened due to the heat - they would've softened at different times and the top of the building would've leaned one way and fallen sideways, the remaining bulk of 90+ would've stayed standing - as the building was designed for impact and the steel was fire resistant ... The bottom structure would've stayed somewhat intact. It would not have totally collapsed and burned for 2 weeks after the fact.

Why is everyone ignoring ManBearPig's involvement? Why doesn't the government want us to know that he was seen eating at the Windows on the World restaurant just days before? Open your eyes people, he was casing the place and planting his airplane magnets!

Beez... shush dude they'll send him to eat you! That's if you're lucky if you aren't they'll send the christmas critters after you... I've said too much..

Quick interjection - if the makers of this animation are trying to disprove conspiracy theories where's the sense in restricting in which country it can be viewed.

Not all the crackerjacks are in America.

Silly...

@Beez....i dont know if you realize it..but you are really close to the truth...

PigBearMan is a coverup!!

It was really..... The Underwear Gnomes!
Profit!!

lmao...this is by far the BEST and most plausible conspiracy theory behind the WTC attack!

tin foil hats heh, how about tinfoil earplugs everyone who believes official story relies only on what they are told by news and drown out anyone trying to say otherwise. And if we are conspiracy nuts why so much effort to disprove us with college kid animations couldnt you just shrug it off. Sorry to say there are bigger things going on in the world then whats going ot be your next hd tv purchase

@sleepy

First, how am I supposed to know what's going on in the world without my next HD tv purchase?

Second, isn't ignoring opposing views, drowning out anyone that says otherwise and putting in much effort to change other's minds the bread and butter of "truthers"? If you're so superior because you can rely on pseudo-science that some guy with the vast knowledge needed to create a website has to say, why can't you just quietly exist smugly knowing that you'll have all the answers that "they" don't want you to have?

im not gonna say whether i believe this or not cuz im not a scientist or some crap but really to tell the truth i dont care either... its like trying to figure out what came first the chicken or the egg... politicians have always been corrupt and terrorists will always exist get used to it

anyway whats all this talk about being closed minded? the way people found out it was a hoax was cuz they had an open mind and didnt let the government controlled news be the only one to tell them the story. its just like the new president obama most people are like oh yeah change lets get some of this change... the only changes i have seen do not benefit anyone except fat executives and the federal reserve (which by the way isnt a part of the federal government) i'm sure people are thinkin im some nutso wackjob who wears tinfoil hats. whatever... ive done the research and its true. the media has brainwashed most americans into thinking that their government is doing things in the peoples best interest instead of their own ben franklin said it best when he said this “Dissent is the highest form of patriotism."

Anybody who thinks this was a conspiracy who used demolitions to take down any or all of the buildings has obviously never actually SEEN the preparation involved to implode a building WITH demolitions.

For these buildings you would have had hundreds of people moving around inside ALL of the buildings floors ripping out all the insulation from all of the support beams, wrapping said beams in explosives and then wrapping those explosive wrapped beams in insulating material to vonfine the explosives.

All of that while all the employees were there every day to watch this prep work.

Oh yeah, and imploded buildings collapse from the GROUND UP, not the TOP DOWN. Oops.

Conspiracies that require huge amounts of effort are rarely ever done without full public knowledge(i.e. disney & clearchannel controlling most of the radio). If you want to have a conspiracy that works try something with less effort required, like simply letting an attack through that you could have prevented easily. Little effort, just as effective. There are always potential terrorist attacks, just approaching a threat with apathy is all it takes to let one through.

Fortunately most of the time most governments prevent large scale attacks like this one. It takes incredible incompetence or intentional apathy to allow an attack of that scale to occur.

The most valid point of all that disproves conspiracy theorists is, in fact, the huge effort required to set up an organized demolition. It would have been impossible to work in a building that's being outfitting for a controlled demolition without noticing.

And the argument isn't whether the government was incompetent or apathetic and knew that an attack was going to happen and didn't do anything or not, the argument is plane crash vs. controlled demolition.

Also, what would a country gain from destroying one of the most economically important buildings in their country? What would a country gain from screwing up their own economy on purpose?

Why is everyone so suprised that these people want to beleive something so much that reason, evidence, etc will not sway their conviction?

Its called faith and its something that people use to protect themselves when their scared of something because they dont know the answer. They use faith to cling to what ever meets their fancy and then they go on crusade. Im just amazed at all the religious people, the consiracy thing at least has some founding in reality, some evidence.

So get over it, their crazy, but so is your neighbor driving to Church on Sunday; and yes I know, hold your crys of terror, they can vote too.

They should have shown the simulation of both buildings collapse after this simulation as well as WTC7 collapse simulation.

I believe that this is the only case in history that tall buildings fail because of fire. Remarkable. What a bad architect! He should be prosecuted for endangering lives and all buildings built by him should be tore down! Well these superb animations proved it! http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/releases/wtc_videos/wtc_videos.html
Now I don't doubt anymore! Yay my eyes are open!

xdr is right! Why aren't we tearing down any building that can't withstand being hit by a airplane that's larger then any airplane in existence at the time of its creation? Those short sighted fools still don't prepare for a super start destroyer impact!!! When will this society start thinking about safety?

xdr is right! Why aren't we tearing down any building that can't withstand being hit by a airplane that's larger then any airplane in existence at the time of its creation? Those short sighted fools still don't prepare for a super star destroyer impact!!! When will this society start thinking about safety? (I hope I caught my correction before it posted, if not sorry for the double post everyone)

Where's the rest of the simulation? Why wasn't the building falling in the simulation, wouldn't that be logical?

This proves nothing. What a waste ot time and money.

I'm just wondering, hypothetically, what sort of evidence would prove the official story to you truthers? Is there anything? Or do you like to assume that everyone is under the control of the government? Seriously, you guys are as ridiculous as the birthers. Do you enjoy living in a world where shadows cabinets are in control and you're cursed with being smarter then everyone else? Or do you secretly like rallying against a evil force that you know deep down isn't really there plotting against you? There's enough true evil in the world to fabricate new menaces to fight.

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/
Inform yourself.

The comparison of conspiricy theorists to religious people is at best, illconceived.

In this case, It is simply a question of which is more likely to occur. That 12 or so sociopaths would sacrifice their lives to cause massive if somewhat pointless distruction, or that hundreds of government moles are operating in a grand conspiracy to cause this pointless distruction.

Frankly, I do not give the government that much credit. They have trouble delivering the mail.

I can PROVE from video evidence that it is impossible for a 100 watt light bulb to bake a cupcake! The whole Suzy Home-Maker farce is LIES! And I'm taking the heat sink off my Core2 duo, too. NO MORE will I believe the lies. I have lost my faith in the hype.

uneducated 9-5ers eh hahaha. what about scholars for 9/11 truth??? you don't need a computer animation to know that fire didn't cause the collapse meatball, doesn't matter what university you go to. you simply have to watch the videos. put it this way, when was the last time a wood stove collapsed from fire? haha or wait... what about your barbecue, propane burns hotter than jet fuel lol. anyways, another whitewash.

Fine, I admit it! I knocked down the towers myself because I wanted a clear view of the smog-ridden sky. I used alien technology to take control of the planes, crash them into the towers and then set off controlled explosions that brought down the towers.

Whew! I'm so glad I got that off my chest.

I feel better. Ah, what a nice view.

@Sam...

Nice View? of what? Jersey??
Or are you on the Jersey side lookin at Brooklynn?

Either way...not an improvement.

I still blame the Underpants Gnomes!

It's interesting that those that aren't "truthers" are so quick to disperse insults to those who believe differently. I imagine it's my turn to do the same. To those brain-dead persons who insinuate that "truthers" are stupid, back atcha.

The true "conspiracy-theorist" knows that until something is proven, it's theory. Intelligent non-conspiracy theorists? Gee, they do the same thing!

Not so intelligent on either side? Well, they go with the popular theories, such as might be posted in video or proclaimed to them by the government, or relayed via typical media propoganda.

I'll just sit in my corner, listening to both sides, until someone comes up with answers that resolve ALL the questions about 9/11.

So, in the minds of the conspiracists....what are the remaining questions left unanswered?

Just curious

Okay, I must say that I skimmed over most of the comments. A lot of it turned into name calling and I don't think that does anyone any good.

I have two technical degrees, both in the automotive field, and one of them is a bachelors of science in engineering. I am not a mechanical engineer, but I do share a very heavy background with them as well as the same general background.

I guess I would be a "truther" and these are, have always been, and will continue to be my main questions for some time.

1. Molten steel underneath the WTC rubble. This video admits the fire didn't melt the steel (and with science we know it can't), what could have burned so hot to leave molten steel? We can debate how cutter charges did or didn't get in, but something burned hot enough to melt steel and to my knowledge that couldn't have been done with jet fuel or anything present in the building when the planes struck.

2. Pentagon attack. The plane crash left nearly zero debris in the yard of the pentagon (go see archived cnn footage to verify this, the debris on the lawn was drug out almost entirely by firemen) and even though the plane struck at nearly a 45 degree angle, both wings folded into the body of the plane and then vaporized parts of the titanium engine components. If the energy absorbed by the impact was so great as to vaporize titanium (which is why the full engines could not be found according to the official story), then how was DNA recovered which is destroyed much easier than titanium?

3. Why was all local surveillance footage of the Pentagon strike confiscated by the US gov and never released even with multiple FIA's being filed? No footage released to date shows the actual strike even though the number of cameras on the pentagon is incredible.

I could keep going with other points, but I feel that these questions are scientifically sound and are more than adequate to make any sound minded person pause and just think for a moment if only to ask whether it's possible that something else could be going on.

There will always be unknowns in life, but lets leave that to the philosophers and the quantum physicists for the moment. These questions should be relatively easy to answer and should be in my opinion.

Q: How much evidence do we need?
A: WAY more than that.

Ack! another one who does not know that theories are proof! Or rather they are the best explanation available of the PROVEN facts.
A theory is NOT some idea that has to be proven, that is a hypothesis. A theory is formed based on proven facts! A hypothesis is based on observed phenomena and is TESTABLE. And when new facts are discovered that refute a theory then that theory is reexamined and tweaked until it fits ALL of the facts.

Most conspiracy theories are not theories, rather most are a flawed hypothesis that ignores certain facts.

Scientists at Purdue University and the American Society of Civil Engineers are controlled by BUSH!

No really, obviously. But that's what the cuckoo people will say.

Love the second comment here - essentially "I don't care what the experts say, I'm right, they're wrong."

Hilarious stuff.

I hate these blogs that invoke a response but you don't let the comment post unless it is in the realm of what you want to post. Take a hike you punks

what about the building core?? the animation does not have that as part of the simulation..

And National Geographic Channel, whose "fair and balanced" coverage is influenced by a controlling interest of Rupert Murdoch, who is covertly paid by the CIA. (Google "Iran Contra's Lost Chapter.")

Do you realize how unscientific this is? Neither NIST nor NGC cover the extreme conditions that produced abundant evidence of iron-liquifying temperatures.

Add to this that NIST provided no substantiation for so much of their reports. NOTHING for their WTC7 report--no photos, no input data, no output data--just a few seconds of video that does not even look like the actual event.

This is just more obfuscation.

How unscientific are we as a nation?

Now let me explain how we know that 9/11 was False Flag Attack.

1) It's impossible for two separate airliners to bring down three separate skyscrapers. It's as simple as 1+1=2. No tinfoil hat required.

2) The first attack on the WTC in 1993 was an inside job. In fact the
explosives were provided by an FBI informant as part of a terror sting operation. The FBI informant kept going back to the FBI and explaining
that there was indeed a plan to carry out the attacks. He kept telling the FBI that the attack was going to happen, but the FBI didn't stop it.

3)The ex-prime minister of Italy was himself admittedly involved in government-sponsored terrorism(Operation Gladio) against his own people before 9/11 and said the following:

Intel Agencies Know 9/11 An Inside Job

This was first published in Italy's oldest and most respected newspaper. It was then covered in English on Prison Planet.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/december2007/120407_common_knowledge.htm

4) Danish scientist Niels Harrit with others(John Joseph Granier, B.S.M.E., M.S.M.E., etc.) found THE IRREFUTABLE PHYSICAL EVIDENCE:

Nano-thermite was found in the WTC rubble. Nano-thermite is not naturally occurring and can not be magically created by a series airplanes crashing into skyscrapers or by the fusing of elements in a building, as a result of fires and other explosions. Nano-thermite has only been around for a very few years. It is difficult to make and created in military labs. It has to be engineered through the use of nanotechnology.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BE_tuWKsBko&feature=related

correction, first line, missing word:

was a False Flag Attack.

What is the format for commenting?

Unable to post anything relevant.

What does it matter? Regards of who did it, the buildings still came down and hundreds of people died.

The heat from the burning fuel was increased by the twyre effect , that is the center elevator shaft supplied a powerful blast of air like a smelting furnace , I can melt cast iron in my home made casting furnace using natural gas and a shop vac blowing air into the bottom . The elevators are made with a lot of aluminum and when it mixes with rust ( iron oxide ) it would react like thermite . If you don't think steel can burn , get some steel wool ( the type used for sanding ) and put a match to it ! The proper heat/fuel/air ratio is all thats needed . There are easy to prove reasons for all of the things that happened in the WTC disaster .

Actually iamthemovie, my brother in law is in a degree program right now for firefighting. Its called a "Fire Science" degree and once he gets that he goes on to the fire academy, so before you come on here making jack ass claims, get your facts straight.

You can build a computer model to 'prove' anything. If your initial premise is false (fire brought down the THREE WTC buildings), you can play around with the variables in the model until you 'prove' your premise. This is unlike reality, where conditions cannot be changed at your whim.

PS - the National Geographic special on 'Truthers' was the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen. Not surprised since they are

These are to all "Falsers" (or as you call yourselves, truthers).

If 9/11 was a government attack, then what the hell was the plane that didn't succeed? It was going after the White House! I highly doubt the president would tell them to fly into his house.

Don't tell me it was just a coincidence. Do you really think the government would go that far to get into Afghanistan? If they wanted to go into war so badly, then they could have done something much more minor.

And another thing, there were HUNDREDS of people in those buildings... I think at least ONE of them would have noticed those tons of explosives. The only way how they could have hid them was to be on the inside of the walls. There hadn't been mass construction on it for years before.

Also, many congressmen were in the building at the time, you think that they would blow themselves up? You guys are crazy.

Sure, the italian leader said the feds knew something, but he does not like the US anyway. He WOULD have said that.

In the year leading up to 9/11 Norad jet fighters were scrambled SIXTY TWO times to intercept aircraft which deviated from their preplanned flight paths. They were 100% successful in intercepting these off course crafts.

How the HELL did Norad fail FOUR TIMES in one morning?

"this Video Is Not Available In Your Country due to copyright reasons"

I cant see the video...I'm from Paraguay - SouthAmerica... damn...

Only 3 high rises ever collapsed due to fire....WTC 1, 2, and 7

PI(R2), sorry, but I disagree.

Steel wool burns because of massive surface area, same idea as thermite and rapid oxidation. Steel beams, pc's, office chairs, etc, do not have the surface area that steel wool has. Aluminum must be in a powder to burn in such a reaction. It's the same reason magnesium blocks can be sold in Meijer, Walmart, etc without any fear of it lighting on fire. It only becomes dangerous when there's a very large surface area present (in powder or scrapings). It HAS to be in a powder or a filament form (like steel wool) to burn like that.

The other thing you don't seem to understand is that in your methane burn your are forcing the air in a proportioned and controlled fashion. When the planes struck, most of the fuel spilled out and burned in an uncontrolled fashion. The amount of black smoke is testament to this. A fuel rich mixture like that produces massive amounts of black smoke then dies quickly producing relatively little heat. A forced lean mixture provides the greatest amount of heat because of the excessive oxygen accelerant present. The blast furnace idea doesn't apply because that shaft provides air, but doesn't force it into the mixture like you're doing. If the elevator shafts were forcing that much air up, they would have sucked the doors right off and flung them up the elevator shafts. If you actually watch footage from people on the ground floor in the lobby, the doors were intact, there was no great whooshing sound, nothing. There was no forced air updraft.

Watch the 9/11 footage, most of the fires were contained. Go actually listen to the footage of the firefighters. Most of the fire was contained. There was no constant stream of controlled fuel and burning. If the Aluminum had lit on fire and produced an uncontrolled thermite reaction, those towers would have lit up like sparklers and looked like light houses.

On this anniversary of 911 I remember vividly
I was on my way to the airport for my flight to LA. I still can't get over the feeling when I realised my fortune of not being booked on an earlier flight...

The phrase "never forget" is often used regarding 911. what we should Never forget however is to keep Questioning the offical story.

One question to ponder:
Why do professional demolition companies exist?
When they are hired to bring down a building, they quote weeks of labor intensive man-hours, engineering studies, God knows what cost....!!

Why do these companies go to all that trouble when The official 911 story has indirectly certified the effectiveness of random fires set on the upper floors of a building as a quick and surefire method of neatly collapsing a building!
It happened 3 TIMES that morning, so it must be a reliable method!
Think of the savings in time and money to building owners who need one demolished! Any average person could apparently set a fire randomly on the upper floors of a building fed by the amount of jet fuel conatined in a 757, wait 40 minutes or so, and there you go! A neat collapse into the building' footprint just like the Pro's!!
Maybe I'll start my own controlled demolition company and make silly money using this easier "Random Fire" method! And its (indirectly) certified by the 911 Commission report and NIST as effective!

There needs to be either continuing investigation into the official 911 story or a thorough investigation of the unnecessarily complicated practices of the building demolition industry!

Fools. Believe the government. Your economy is collapsing. Your unemployment rate is rising. Your 2 wars aren't going away. You're about to start a new war with Iran. Your rights are being stolen. Believe your government. Fools

http://www.loosechange911.com/

just watch it. it is all truth it is not going to lie.

Hmm, so building 7's steel columns was also weakened by the jet fuel.. that wasnt in the building. BS!