I still think Galactica could win, if nothing else she has the sheer force of numbers from her hangars, where Enterprise just has a few lowly shuttle pods. I would really like to see Enterprise and the Odyssey from Stargate put head to head

enterprise is much more manuverable and has other weapons besides torpedoes

The Enterprise will win because the Enterprise can fight at FTL. This is a huge advantage.

This is silly, any scifi weapon beats any real weapon of course

LOL...no brainer

The Enterprise could win without even using her own weapons. Grab the nukes with the transporters and beam them back into Galactica...KaBOOM!

Didn't the very first Enterprise (in Star Trek Enterprise) have "tunable" torpedoes in the Xindi arc of the series? I wonder how that works. Maybe the antimatter is created AFTER the torpedo is fired, and in specific amounts.

I think a cloud of 00 buckshot accelerated to near light speed would be much better. No radiation, but it would probably turn either ship into a giant colander.

I put my money on the winnebago from Space Balls

The Enterprise has a nice compliment of long range energy weapons, i.e. phasers that can nail several areas with pinpoint accuracy in rapid succession. The Galactica is to my knowledge, still using projectile weapons. While effective, the combination of the Enterprises shields and outer hull (designed to withstand space debris at high impulse speeds) should handle the small arms fire of the vipers. The photon torpedos can hit a target at a much greater distance than the Galactica nukes which use a combustible fule, even at a low impulse speed the Enterprise can maneuver out of the way of one. Essentially if it were a classic modern dogfight, the Enterprise would be an F-22 and the Galactica would be an F-4 Phantom.. Just my humble opinion.

@Ralph!!23 The warp drive is based on the Alcubierre drive, which generates a bubble or wave of space time to move the ship forward. The ship isn't travel at FTL speeds the wave or bubble is. Now here's the issue, it compresses space time in front of the ship and extends it behind it. Unless the weapon itself has warp capability it would run into that compression and bounce back into the bubble, visa vi destroying the enterprise in the process. Which considering their use of them as probes they most likely do have warp. But there is a few other items that give the Federation ship the advantage.

Shields are one, BSG didn't have shielding (more realistic at this current time). This means that they couldn't deflect a photon torpedo, they could try out maneuvering it, but that probably wouldn't work.

Second thing is maneuverability. From what they showed in ST, the Enterprise can change directions on a dime, something BSG can't do. And while BSG could jump, the Enterprise could simply out run the nuke (because nukes have no FTL).

Now IMO, what really gives BSG an edge is not the battle star itself, but its support craft. Raptors and Vipers can out maneuver or shoot down a photon torpedo. Not only that they can move in close enough to the Enterprise that if the enterprise tries to go to warp they would be caught along in the wake of the warp field and dragged into warp as well (as long as they are inside the bubble). They could then drop a nuke from a Raptor while in warp and then use the Raptors FTL to jump. Now this would need to be from inside the area of the shields, so the Enterprise would have had to have almost lost shields (or ambushed them while shields were down). But it then would be possible to destroy the Enterprise with a nuke.

I think a lot of it comes down to tactics, and a pure statistics battle the Enterprise would probably win the vast percentage of the time.

In my humble opinion, we're just dealing with sci-fi tech that was meant for two completely different periods of history. BSG attempted to be quasi-contemporary. Computers ran on networks with physical, digital cables. Firewalls were still separate pieces of equipment. Communication between ships was based on audio only, no video. In-ship communications was done using a phone-like device, similiar to how current navy vessels do. The hand-held weapons were projectile-based, not energy-based. In many ways, BSG was meant to be 'contemporary' (well, as contemporary as FTL drive and city-sized space ships can be).

Star Trek, however, was meant for the fairly distant future. Photon torpedoes travelled at near light speeds. Impulse engines could even achieve 95% light speed. Starships used 'phasers', some kind of light-based weapon that still retained potential energy that could explode on contact other matter. Transporter technology could actually beam matter through multiple kilometers of solid earth. Heck, even the handheld phasers were capable of destroying an entire building at full power.

So, the logical conclusion would be that the Enterprise would crush Galactica without so much as a smudge on the paint job. Galactica's most powerful nukes were still launched using chemical-based propellants... far too slow to be of any use against Enterprise. Raptors and Vipers would be useless as well... they're projectile-based weapons would either harmlessly bounce off the shields or the outer hull.

Unfortunately for Galactica, her armor is useless against a transporter. Raptors and Vipers cannot defend against torpedoes that can be detonated either on-contact or at-distance. Their lack of shields and proper amor would make them easy pickins if they were within several hundred meters of a detonated torpedo.

Taking all of the realities of both scifi universes under consideration, the BG would be in a severe disadvantage vs. the Enterprise. The greatest outside-the-bounds of current knowledge of physics technology the BG has is it's jump space device. Everything else is fairly modern, which means they rely on light-time for tactical information and non-relativistic (essentially Newtonian) mechanics of movement.

The Enterprise, on the other hand, has quite a bit of technology that is out of our capabilities in physics. It relies both on light-time and subspace, where information travels over 1,500 times the speed of light, as its sources of tactical data. While it is technically true the Enterprise itself doesn't travel faster than light with respect to the local space within the warp bubble, to those outside the bubble (the BG), they are. So for all intents and purposes, the Enterprise can remain "invisible" to BG by remaining in a warp bubble, while simultaneously taking in tactical data through subspace.

After referencing the ST Technical Manual for the Enterprise D, photon torpedoes may be fired at both sublight and warp speeds, though the latter is severely limited in duration.

With these two bits of technology, the Enterprise would have quite an unfair advantage in a fight with the BG. The Enterprise could remain in warp while firing its torpedos and there would be nothing the BG would be able to do. Admiral Adama et al wouldn't even see the torpedos fly towards BG, only its effects. Even if the Enterprise felt like showing off and preferred to remain in sublight speeds, it could remain at high percentages of c and still be impossible to hit due to length contraction under Special Relativity.

As an end note, at either warp or high sublight speeds, the photon torpedos wouldn't even need to have antimatter in them to be devastating. The energy alone in its inertia would be enough to essentially annihilate the BG into an expanding cloud of plasma.

I like BSG, I really do. But when it comes to Galactica vs. the Enterprise, we may as well be talking about Iron Man vs. a Viking. I love Vikings, but If iron Man stands there and lets the Viking hit him, the Viking will land a solid blow with his mighty two-handed axe that MAY be able to knock Iron Man down. IM goes, "Ermpf" then proceeds to vaporize the Viking. The best Galactica can really hope to do is piss off the crew of the Enterprise. The Enterprise's shields have been shown to handle a nuke at point-blank range without failing. The vipers and raptors may as well be throwing sand for all their effectiveness. But before the Galactica even gets withn range, it would have been destroyed by a single photon torpedo spread.

BSG combat never made any sense to me. Their nukes were slower than their fighters? Why are they putting inferior engines in their missiles? In modern times, missiles can go much faster than most aircraft (in the order of five to ten times). Why don't they have smart nukes that can evade? They did design a race of AI supposedly (or were a race designed by AI? Whatever!). And if they have flak weapons why can't they shoot down incoming weapons fire? We're nearly to the point now that Naval ships can destroy incoming shells using flak or phalanx cannons using radar and computers.

Same deal with Star Trek, why can't their phasers intercept torpedo's and such? Quick fire beam weapons would pretty much make missiles defunct.

I seem to remember a STNG episode where a ship with lasers and nukes tried to threaten the Enterprise. Suffice it to say, we all got a laugh at the end.

And for those of you reading this and going "That guy played MOO", right on! Why can't Sci-fi writers take hints on how space combat will be from game designers?

Who would win? well, both (or neither) as they are both good guys and would not want to fight each other!

@Jamion : I'm getting really sick of people claiming that Star Trek's warp drive theory is based off the Alcubierre drive.

Please, explain the time travel theory you're using to assert that a theory made in 1994 is what a television show made in the 60's is based upon.

Miguel Alcubierre did the math about the idea, but he did not invent it, nor is Star Trek's warp drive based upon his work.

@Jamion : I'm getting really sick of people claiming that Star Trek's warp drive theory is based off the Alcubierre drive.

Please, explain the time travel theory you're using to assert that a theory made in 1994 is what a television show made in the 60's is based upon.

Miguel Alcubierre did the math about the idea, but he did not invent it, nor is Star Trek's warp drive based upon his work.

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@ mathias
I remember that episode. the captain had no idea what to do but chuckle. it was stated that it couldnt get through their navigational shields let alone main ones. so of course data chimes in citing the reg saying they need to go to blue alert or something like that.

Also as a note to the drive theory guys have you read any of the begining star trek magazines? in one they did a report saying how they achieved FTL. thewarp engines are designed to push a ship to the point of light speed BUT as we all know your mass becomes infinite. therfore one of the shield types to which im not sure cause a shift in the way the universe perceives the ship i forget how but needless to say that by having the mass shrunk allowed the warp engines to push the ship past the speed of light.

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We've already had this debate. Enterprise wins. Look you have scalable damage photon torpedoes, phaser defenses that would take care of any small craft or missles, energy sheilding to stop any physical damage to the vessel and in a pinch you could use a transporter to beam someones nukes from their trajectory into or back on their origin vessel. Hands down Enterprise thrives and Galactica (thankfully) dies!

1) BSG takes place in the past, (it has happened before. it will happen again. hail Pythia)
2) ST is in the future Of course, ST has the advantage
3) If photon torpedoes contain anti-matter, what do quantum photon torpedoes contain? smaller amounts?

I think that people are thinking to hard about the differences in the tech of the two ships and not considering the role that tactics would play in this battle. I think that both of these ship would have a fair chance to win.
The deciding factor is who finds who first. If Enterprise picks up Galactica on their sensors then the Enterprise's superior weapons and manuverability would allow them to win easily.
But if the Galactica learns the location of the Enterprise first then they could use their FTL drive to jump in right on top of the Enterprise and blow them out of the sky before they knew what hit them. Since the BSG FTL, unlike the warp drive in ST, only takes and instant to travel the distance the Enterprise wouldn't see them coming.
The element of surprise is what would determine the winner of this fight.

*walks in room*

Wow, there's like 12 inches of geek juice on the floor in here. Get a life guys. Seriously.

*walks out*

Frankly, I'll take a Royal Manticore Navy battlecruiser over either one. Heavy missile throw capacity and fighting ranges in the light minutes. Then there's the gravity planes used for propulsion that are totaly impervious to penetration; if anything managed to survive a Mantie barrage to get close enough to brave point defenses and attempt to breach the sidewall shields, the 'cruiser's probably rolled to present it's back or belly to the enemy by then.

Oh, and if you give me a pod deploying superdreadnought, I'll take on the BSG, NCC 1701 from original to E and the Borg cube that's chasing them.

If both ships had identical crews (i.e. equal calibre and experience), then the Enterprise would win, hands down. It's just too frakking technologically superior to the Galactica for the Galactica to overcome her. But that just on the technology side of things, so I suppose for this site saying the Enterprise would win suffices.

But for others, that isn't enough because the Enterprise and the Galactica have two extraordinarily different crews with extraordinarily different ways of handling situations. If it were a battle between the Kirk-comanded Enterprise and the Adama-helmed Galactica, it is almost certain that the Galactica would win. Adama is too experienced for Kirk to be able to overcome his military prowess. Also, the Enterprise was on an exploratory mission, not on a mission of survival like the Galactica, so the Enterprise may not be as willing to risk it all as the Galactica would be.

But still, this is not enough. Most people, regardless of which ship is more or less likely to win, will side with the one that they are developmentally biased towards. The two scientists asked their opinon obviously grew up with Star Trek, so they will generally be biased towards Kirk and the Enterprise. I, on the other hand, have grown up with Battlestar Galactica (ok, not really, I'm 19 now, it started back in 2004), so it has had a greater impact on me than Star Trek has, thus I am generally biased towards Adama and the Galactica.

And though this now exits the realm of facts and into the realm of choice, I will pose this question: Would you rather safely follow Kirk, who may run if things get too dire, or would you rather fight alongside Adama nail, tooth and claw to take down your enemy, even if it means your potential demise as well?

Someone once said, "Adama is the kind of leader you'd follow to Hell and back," but I disagree; Adama is the kind of leader you'd follow to Hell even if there was a chance you wouldn't come back.

Honestly, in the words of William Shatner...GET A LIFE!!

Ha! That felt good. ;)
P.S. Live Long And Prosper!

I think the Battlestar Galactica or even the Battlestar Pegasus would win over in a military perspective. You gotta remember the Enterprise is meant for exploring. The battlestars are meant for war. They're battleships. The battlestars would have a tremendous upper hand and a tactile advantage. Once the Raptors and Vipers enter the equation, its over. Plus, the Cylons would kick the frak out of the Borg.

Battlestar > Enterprise
Cylons > Borg
Cylons > Enterprise

While I would love to say that the Galactica would win, I think the Enterprise is the clear on-paper winner.

If we consider tactics though, there is a slim chance of the Galactica pulling out a win. None of the conventional weapons really stand a chance against the Enterprise's shields. Enough nukes may be able to take them down, but the time that would take is enough for a few photon torpedoes to take out the Galactica. The only real chance they would have is to ignore the shields entirely. The set of circumstances required to allow what I'd suggest are of such a low probability in a firefight, it seems almost impossible.

1. The Galactica has to have spun up its FTL drive in advance of the encounter.
2. It would have to have maneuvered right next to the Enterprise.
3. JUMP.

We've seen Boomer's tiny FTL-enabled Raptor wreak havoc when it jumped right next to the Galactica. I imagine that the warping of space caused by something much larger could cripple the Enterprise (Granted, I will admit that we see the Galactica jump away from the Colony without any apparent adverse effects... but I figured the writers forgot about that...). Or jump away a large number of Raptors around the Enterprise.

@Mikee this is the joy of retconning. In the 60's, they made something up and called it "warp drive" and never explained how it worked. Okuda made some attempts at retroactively explaining it in 1990 in the TNG tech manual (and explaining a few continuity errors). Then again in the late 90's/early 00's, when you've got some real work on the subject, they can retcon again and say "oh, well, this is consistant" because, well, it's all made up anyway.

I can't believe some of you are claiming BSG would beat the Enterprise! Okay, the Battlestar may well be a battleship, but compared to the Enterprise she's a 1900s Ironclad, limited to visual range only and gunnery based on guesstimates, going up against a modern Ticonderoga cruiser with over-the-horizon radar, trailed sonar arrays, cruise missiles and pinpoint accuracy.

Basically, a battle between BSG and Enterprise goes like this: Enterprise spots BSG one light year away, closes at warp to roughly 1 billion km (outside Galactica's sphere of detection), fires a torpedo with the yield dialled up to maximum (80 megatons for a photon, 250 megatons for a quantum torpedo). Galactica has maybe 1/2 second to react before disintegrating in an antimatter fireball hundreds of times more powerful than anything it's faced before. The end.

Moreover, i'm inclined to agree with masque on this one. BSG is developed around the idea that it is an old, but still extremely powerful battlecruiser. It also has the ability to simultaneously deploy interceptor and bomber craft. It's FTL (more commonly known as a space-fold) gives it an excellent strategic advantage, especially if it has Pegasus-grade systems. The tactical bit simply means it has a cooldown/warmup sequence to follow, much like almost all stardrives. You can't simply turn on the car/ship/aircraft and expect it to immediately accelerate from a cold relative zero, and then it go 300 mph/kmh, without warning. Such a ship means that BSG would hold an immediate strategic advantage over the Enterprise. Besides, who just jumps into an unknown area, without a scout ship or probe sent ahead? The Enterprise of course. Just about all of the Star Trek captains, explorers or not, all jump/warp in to areas of space with no clue as to any dangers or problems, and expect everything to be perfectly fine. BSG has the advantage. 1 Raptor with FTL can recon the area before they advance, and with instantaneous jump capability, disappear before Enterprise's scanners know what happened.
Now in defense of the good ship Enterprise, they DO have highly advanced energy weapons, long-range torpedoes, excellent maneuverability, and energy screens to deflect/absorb incoming fire. But ALL of their tech is dependent on the fact that they: 1) have enough power, 2) their captain will ALWAYS win the day, no matter the losses, 3) their transporters are only as effective as the ensign or chief in charge of them. BSG doesn't have energy weapons, so their power can be conserved on weapons, FTL, communications, and maneuverability. Also, as Enterprise takes more hits, their firepower becomes increasingly better only at the cost of one of their other critical systems.
Enterprise PROs
-Energy Weapons
-High Tactical Maneuverability
-Antimatter-Powered Technology
-Long-Range Torpedoes
CONs
-Idiotic Captains
-Over-Reliance on High-End Tech
-Sheer Overconfidence
-NO Strike Craft

BSG PROs
-Space-Fold FTL
-Large relative # of Strike Craft
-Battlecruiser-designed ship
-Combat-Ready, ALWAYS
CONs
-No real Long-Range Weaponry
-Over-Reliant on Nukes as Ship-to-Ship weapons
-Kinetic Projectile Weapons
-Dependent on Chemical-Propelled Weapons

Overall, while Enterprise has the tech advantage, BSG has the military advantage.
And in a nod to Masque, if BSG got backed up by Duchess Harrington, i'd willingly back that pair against pretty much all of the Federation + allies + enemies. The klingons and romulans might get close, but for sheer firepower combined with impressive miltary minds with years of field combat experience, Kirk's pretty and idiotic ass is toast.

Well, I’m glad that there is a forum where all us geeks can come together and commiserate about who would win in a fight between two completely fictional tv shows.

That being said: All of you BSG haters out there better watch your mouth. ;) Lets try and keep this within context... (1) When have you ever seen Trek Captain’s perform the kind of battle maneuvers mentioned earlier where they are traveling at warp speed and then launch a torpedo... no they all drop out, get within visual range and start trading blows with their opponent(s). (2) to think that the Galactica has no defensive capabilities, sure it doesn’t have the high tech deflector screens, but what it does have is experience in building heavy plate armor. We saw the Galatica get hit with a Nuke and they kept fighting afterword. In addition to the armor, we have the same defenses that our modern warships have. Flak and guns designed to intercept incoming missiles, not to mention a fighter screen. Photon Torpedo’s do not travel near the speed of light when launched , anyone who has seen the show or movies can see how the projectiles sometimes seem to ponderously take their time getting to their target, and then 50% of the time they miss. (3) Let’s forget about this whole comparison in maneuverability. The Galactica is four times as long, four times as wide, and 3 times as tall, not to mention that it is going to grossly out mass the Enterprise. When Fighting a Battlestar, its about staying power. (4) The Enterprise’s Shields are not that great. Even if the ammo being fired is strictly kinetic, it will still do damage, hundreds if not thousands of rounds will hit the shields, it’s not a fighter craft and can’t dodge all of it. There can be a tremendous amount of energy unleashed with an artillery round, but lets suppose that they are using what we consider modern artillery.... it’s not just kinetic, they do have high explosive, incendiary,. Etc. artillery shells. The advantage of Artillery over a phaser is that you can spit out more in a larger area then having one shot and have to wait to recharge. I’m not discounting the advanced weapons of the Enterprise, I just think everyone is grossly underestimating the capabilities of the Galactica. (5) Whoever came up with the idea of beaming a nuke from the Galactica and then back needs to think a little harder. You can’t beam with your shields up, and if the Enterprise is under a barrage attack, they are not going to drop their shields. However, it is your best way to kill the ship. If the Captain feels like they can put the ship in enough danger to drop shields and beam it up, and then do so again to transport it back with out getting the ship blown to pieces... good luck.
I’m a huge trek fan, but it’s not that grand that it can’t be beat.

The winner would be the ship in the show with the most devious script writer.

Even the Constitution class Enterprise wins against the new Galactica. Phasers have longer range than cannons and reach their targets faster and with a bigger punch. Photon torpedos have longer range and bigger punch. Warp speed allows realltime navigation as well as assault and zoom tactics while jump drives take long minutes to spin up as well as complicated navigation. Most importantly a transporter beam can teleport from atleast 200 miles away and can transport anything from boarding troops to photon torpedos directly into fuel tanks or engines.

The Galactica has one advantage its bigger nearly 4.6 times longer than a Constitution and 2.2 times longer than a Galaxy. While it does have Vipers both the Vipers & Galactica relied on projectile weapons, such things would bee easily deflected by the Federation energy shield which are designed to deflect small rocks at extremely high speeds in excess of such projectile weapons velocities. Furthermore the Vipers are sub light, so the best attack would be using the new Cylon Raiders which seem to be able to jump spotaneous and get close with nukes.

Sometimes, you guys just spoil the whole wonderful world of SciFi with talk about whether or not it is real......or who would win. Sometimes we just gotta' let it ibe SciFi....

I think the more interesting question would be "Who would win: The cylons or the Borg?"
Both seem to like infiltrating their opponents control systems. Would they be so curious about each other they wouldn't both shooting?
Would this be a "hack off" instead of a "shoot out"?
Here's a thought: Borg troops vs cylon centurions. I'd have to give the edge to the cylons. CGI is just so much quicker and more accurate than guys in makeup... B-D

Has anybody else noticed how these articles seem to coincide with the release of another BSG DVD?

I agree with Quasar. It is SciFi....I read the posts up to when you guys started getting pissy over who can top the other with their "scientific" proof of who invented what warp drive.

Really? That's just plain sad. I love science fiction, and am a great fan of both shows, especially BSG, but you're the people that Shatner told to "get a life."

SERIOUSLY, people, you need to consider that these two are of two separate era's, and they are two separate classes,

Generally speaking,
Enterprise = deeper future
Galactica = deep future

Enterprise = Orion Class
Galactica = Corvette Class

for those who don't know, Corvette class is a strong fightership class, or in this case a Battle Star.

an Orion class is a scout ship, or for Enterprise an exploration ship.

BSG is not as technically advanced as ST, so, you Galacticans can relax, and shame on you Trekies! picking on the little guy, isn't that what you hated most in high school, the jocks of the varsity team?

so, even the playing field before you bring them in, sacrifice something from the Enterprise, or add something to the Galactica, but don't compare them as equal contenders.

I understand where everyone is coming from... I just like the fact that there are places that we can come and geek out on. I'm just glad no one brought up Star Wars... Then geek juices would be spilling out on the floor

NOT AGAIN .......................!!!!!!!

What is this BS of photon torpedoes having antimater? I don't think so. In startrek verse Anti-Matter weapons are BANNED by the Khitomer accord (they contain PHOTONIC engergy, hence the name). If they were Anti-Matter, then they could take out a borg ship easily (nor would spock so easily accomplish 'surgery' on one. Anti-Matter could not be held stable in a vessel such as a torpedo.

It's not a matter of which is physically more powerful, but rather what effect it has to energy. Nuclear weapons excite matter (so to speak), and since enterprise shields are made of pure energy, the nuke would have no effect (it would damage the hull however). Photon torpedoes are still energy based weapons, but held in physical containers, hence their effect on shields.

So would enterprise win? Sure, but not without it's shields! BSG would I think take quite a beating from the enterprise.

P.S. Nobody ever mentioned what era. NX-01 Vs. Sovereign.

yeah the photon was not anti matter and there were two types... early model shoot and hope you hit near your target, movie era had tracking..
the new movie star trek has point defense weapons (which they imply the constitution class had but were never depicted in the original series), so no fighter will survive getting close not even mentioning nukes.
Galactica can take a pounding, Galactica has point defense wpns so they can take out photons.... should they be aware they are incoming and they would only get one chance.
but the Enterprise will win eventually. the only hope galactica has is getting close enough to do a jump... but the new enterprise uses force fields to reinforce its hull. (Next gen)
The feds have shields.. which can regenerate! Armor does not regenerate and the newer fed ships include armor plating on the hull. (Voyager)

There would be no fight!! The federation prim directives would prohibit a skirmish between the two. Battlestar Galatica is full of Human Biengs. If anything the federation would help BSG find a home, as they have done for allmost all lifeforms that needed transplantion before, ( with the exception of Kahn ).

There would be no fight!! The federation prim directives would prohibit a skirmish between the two. Battlestar Galatica is full of Human Biengs. If anything the federation would help BSG find a home, as they have done for allmost all lifeforms that needed transplantion before, ( with the exception of Kahn ).

The Ori's ships in Stargate Sg1 would beat star trek any day.... ST's space ships looks dull in a way compared to stargate's, but at least it looks more logically correct...

Yes, but how would the Enterpise fail against a SD(P) from the Honorverse? Somehow I think Admiral Harrington could clean the clocks of both the Enterprise and the Galactica while casually sipping a mug of cocoa from the flag deck.

Right you are Bill as long as the fight is confined to a star system otherwise the Enterprise can run away. One broadside would overwhelm any defenses Enterprise has. Galactica with her Vipers might actually put up more of a fight but then Honor has carriers of her own.

how about a poo weapon..that flings lumps of plop

People are looking at the bells and whistles of Starfleet ships. The colonials could build computers and networking but do to the Cylons had to use stand alone mission specific computers, much like the Russians used during the cold war. Some believe that the Russians had junk but the experts believe baring nuclear weapons they would have cleaned our clocks had the cold war turned hot. Star trek tech is more automated then Galactica but not more advanced. Star trek tech is also more fantasy then Galactica. The only weapon Starfleet uses that does not have a colonial counterpart is the Phasers. But the ranges of the Phasers are only about from earth to the moon, about 300k miles. The photon torpedoes effective range is about 3 million miles. And the longer they fly the less fuel they have for critical mass. The weapons on a Battlestar do not use the core for fuel thus a 50 MT warhead would yield a 50 MT energy release.

but you have to remember that while the enterprise has shields against their technology, they dont have very good sheilds against previous technology, a good fighter pilot could probably take down the enterprise in one hit(suicide bomb), they just have to dodge incoming fire

As badass as the Galactica is, Galactica was made with as much "reality" or conventional chronologically congruent systems to our day+a couple hundred years as possible.

Comparing Galactica to the Enterprise in a mock battle is a futile exercise in mental m@sturbation.

So say we all.

Oh my god are you guys kidding me! I love BSG, Star Wars and Star Trek but even I know the Enterprise (any Enterprise) would win against Galactica!

A, lets examine. Everyone here say bla blah both weapons are equally destructive. Lets have em about 120 km from each other and begin the action. What's apparent at first! who takes the first hit, Galactica! Phasers what? can reach the Galactica before Galactica's projectile weapons do. Okay!

As for Proton Torpedos, most wont go through, why? out of Galactica's sheer random projectiles going everywhere leaving no room for maneuverability. It's sheer craziness how much they fire. Makes for cool effect though. The thing about the Proton torpedo's is that any of them that are taken out will most likely slaughter any Viper's near it! Casualtites right there.

Galactica's weapons have some effect on the enterprise shields but as the Enterprise is constantly moving atleast 75% of the gun fire is missing the Enterprise. maybe only one nuke manages to hit the enterprise all others are either phasered down or simply out run. So Enterprise has to rely mostly on Phasers for the time being. As they slowly take out rows of Galactica's guns they are able to work a few photon Toprpedo's causing some major Damage. Galacticas still in the fight though. so The Captain of the Enterprise Decides to put in the mix a Quantum torpedo (for the newer F ships) just to keep thing interesting. Wham down goes Galactica!

As for all this crap about FTL drive taking out the Enterprise you gotta give me a break people. One, The Enterprise will not stand still! and never get that close to the Galactica. Two, there is no one Qualified to either FTL directly next to a federation ship or for that matter FTL out while close to one. They take a million years just to do the Calculations to jump to anywhere!!! must less use their ship as a weapon in of itself. Don't be silly people that isn't even on the table.

Viper fighters are practically useless besides getting smeared on the Federation Windshield, lol. Shuttles against Vipers, Shuttles pawned. Still its a shuttle, we arent talking Federation fighters or anything even though the Federation use shuttles as a multi-role craft. Still if you slap in the same amount of shuttles as Viper's no contest maybe only half or less than half of the shuttle fleet would remain while all Vipers would be toast. In a way, no contest here, but we are going by what Galactica and Starfleet have on them at the time so for the time being two or three Shuttles in the Bay wouldn't hack like twenty Viper's so the Vipers win this one.

A Starships sensor's will be able to detect all of Galactica's weak points while Galactica will be just registering them as a blip on a screen. It's laughable really.
I'm actually wondering (and the techies would know) if the Enterprise could even cloak themselves using sensors alone. That being the case Galactica would be done with very little effort, period!!!
I could slap on more info but that would require, like serious geek research and I wouldn't waste my time on that. I'm just going by the movies and the show's as I see it. really like galactica both old and new but There is no contest Federation wins hands down. And dont even get me started on the Klingon's oh that would be ownage!!!

I would rather see a Star Destoyer Vs Galactica that would be brutal on both sides!

I agree with the majority, ST would beat BSG, its like comparing an Ironclad to a modern warship, BSG only option is to hold out long enough to jump many many light years away, then they could cry.

I mean in all seriousness even if Kirk is sleeping with green women while commanding a ship there is just no hope for BSG. No matter how hard the ironclad fights it's no match for a modern Ticonderoga.
Let's not forget the Constitution class Enterprise is a cruiser and not a battleship. If the BSG can't beat a cruiser just imagine fighting something like an Excelsior class battleship.

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Did not forget Enterprise can be troops into the BSG. If Enterprise had enough troops they could beam troops, 24 I believe, to each deck. BSG would not stand a chance.

wow.... im confusseled now. Although, i have to with most people. ST would beat BSG, but BSG is more "real life". I mean if the Earth were to suddenly be under attack, we'd have to rely on our projectile weapons to work. I mean seriously, it'll take years for us to develope anti matter technology.

Besides, isn't BSG like from 150000 years in the pass or something and ST is like a few hundred years in our future?!?!?

Dont know if thats significant or anything but just imagine this, two ships, Battlestar galactica a ship already 50 years old (plus , already hit by many missles and a nuke by cylons), vs a starship jammed pack with energy weapons, shields and some other crap.

Who do you think will win? USS Enterprise? Sure.. CUZ IT FROM THE GODS DAMN FUTURE!!!!!

But serioursly you people takes these things to seriourly... its just Sci-Fi! Let it be...

Sooner or later (unless it has happened already), people are gonna debate about whos better: cylon centurions or the borg. Personally, i'd go with the centurions, less bodies to take over, less of a clean up ;)

Okay, if people start reacting badly to the comment, i dont care.

Man,
It is clear that BSG would get punked,
Though its a warship vs a exploration vessel it is outmatched,
Though I would give it 3 wins out of 4,
Since if the Crew of BSG knows whats coming,
They have a scout shell of Raptors to alert them to the presence and bearing of the enterprise,
They pop back, relay info, and Galactica drops on top of them and hammers them to scrap,

Though I have to agree, Even Peoples republic of Havens prewar tech would smash the snot out of either,

For those people who didnt understand this reference, or the Manticore, or Honor references above,
Go buy "On Basalisk Station" By David Weber.

The Tech portrayed there makes both universes look downright foolish in comparison,

The Phasers and Kinetic round from either would be slapped aside by both bellyband, and sidewalls alike, as these are stressed gravity bands,
And the missles these shipped fire are also driven by gravity bands, which if programmed right would make them almost immune to anti missle defenses,
And since they detonate at 20,000 Kilometers
they are immune to most strike craft,

But its Scifi,
Out of everything I have read or seen,
BSG is the most Badass looking, Period. and My first fav.
Real looking and grounded,
Who gets beat by Startrek,
Who gets beaten by Babylon 5

Who gets punked by Starwars,
(Trekkies all "Lasers" arent the same its the energy yield that matters, )
Who would get obliteratated by the inquisition of the imperium (40k)
Who Gets dead on thrashed by the Royal Manticoran Navy. Before Breakfast,
Well they would need alot of supply ships to have enough ammo but in the end it wouldnt matter.

Who then gets disarmed by Enders Friend Jane,
And if needed killed by fighters ported in by Jane,
Firing DR Device ( A molecular disruptor)

Who in turn ceases to be when the trees burn down, and a curcuit breaker trips because someone thinks about this too much.

Now I love all of the universes,
But from a tech standpoint,
There it is.

My 2 faves are BSG, and Honorverse,
With Ender, and both stars pulling close seconds, and Babylon pulling close last.
And I play Warhammer 40,000
But Cmon guys, anyone who knows much and isnt fan clouded with delusions would have to admit that it would go something close to that.

Anyone who can actually try and argue with that with out involving "Um...Because" as a reason have at it

Think about it. BSG happend 150k years ago. Obviously the wheel had not been invented yet (or the Vipers and Raptors would not have skids). My vote- ship to ship: Enterprise; hand to hand on either: Galactica. The Enterprise crew are too soft, but the marines from BSG kicked it.

In a one on one match, Starfleet would win hands down the first time it made with the Colonial Navy. All they would have to do is stay out of range and use their phasers and photon torpedoes, and since the Colonial Navy uses sensors that only work at light speed, the first barrage would hit just as they detected the attack. A colonial warship might survive the first barrage, but only after sustaining massive damage. Even if the FTL Drive is still operational it takes time to spin it up and by that time one or more barrages will be incoming. Maybe, just maybe, the ship will jump away. If it does then the Colonial Navy will have an idea of what it is up against, if not, then it may take the loss of a few more ships before one is alert enough to either get away or get a raptor away. Once the Colonial Navy knows what they are up against then game on.

The Colonial Navy remained at basically the same level of technology since the Cylon Revolt, probably because they felt that they had a sufficient level of technology to defeat the Cylons. Once the new threat is identified the Colonial Navy would undoubtedly start developing new technologies. It would be relatively easy to develop a laser-based beam energy weapon that, although probably nowhere near as powerful as a phaser, would be able to pack a punch. The Colonial Navy also has inertial dampenning technology, which could be ferther developed into a proto-prewarp propulsion system. (inertial dampeners decrease the forces applied to an object. It would only be a small theoretical leap to extend the technology to decreasing the effects of velocity on mass.) This would allow Colonial Ships to overcome their manuverability deficit and missile propulsion problems, which coupled with their FTL drives, would shift the balance back towards the Colonial Navy especially if they start putting multiple jump drives on their ships so that they can jump around with one drive while spooling up the other(s).

If you think that this jump in technology is to far fetched, then take a look at the technology leaps made during WWII or the Space Race.

As for Enterprise vs. Galactica: Enterprise wins but only because they have a technology gap equivalent to the British Empire over the Zulus, so don't forget the Battle of Isandlwana, where 20000 stone-age Zulus defeated an industrial-era Anglo-African Army of 2000. Greater technology does not confer victory, but it sure helps.

for Earthon: remember, Starfleet's first action would be to take out the engines of an adversaries' ship. I don't think it would be hard to do that with Galactical- just a few well place shots with superior weapons guidance systems would do the trick. The Colonial "wessel" would be dead in the "water."

Obviously im a trekkie and have never seen BSG however i do know just about every tech and more from Star Trek and for one all you guys thinking that Enterprise sits out of range, Dont for one enterprise would sit there and hail first asking what they want and stuff so there goes Enterprises range attack, and if they would get in a hand to hand fight Star Fleet made some improvements on handheld weapons
for one TK48s, if you havent heard of them they were made for fighting the Hyrogens(names completely wrong but Voyager and Enterprise met them) that use energy blocking fields to stop the phasers so these TK48s use projectile weapons+transporters to make a very effective sniper round

Then you have both pulse rifles and phaser rifles both will own any infantry short of having personal force fields(which is BSG has sorry i get this wrong XD) then if you do survive thats like hitting a 1000 voltage line at max power

Then in Ship to ship combat you have both put up intresting info, however i think Enterprise would either win or get away very easially, not saying they would go in shoot 2 shots and battle be over, but you do have to remember that most projectile weapons might as well be rocks to enterprise, though if say they last long enough to deal dmg equivatlent to The shields and can still fire then enterprise if blown(as suck all energy can be transferd to other forms of energy, saying physical energy hits and lowers the amount of energy left for shields on enterprise.

Also for tactical information i sugest reading books(however half of this isnt even cannon -.- but i still wanted to put it out there lol)
Live Long and Prosper

oh and i forgot the good professor kraus is incorrect, the use of antimatter warheads was banned for being too powerful

The Enterprise would win, all it would take is beaming a photon torpedoe into the Galactica.

@Ed Woychowsky
the problem with that is photon torpedos are way to unstable to transport, also one would not have enough firepower to destroy the entire thing

@Ed Woychowsky
the problem with that is photon torpedos are way to unstable to transport, also one would not have enough firepower to destroy the entire thing

Are photon torpedoes too unstable to transport? Maybe so. I remember in DS9, they featured a sniper riffle fitted with a small transporter to transport a fired projectile into another room. The same could be done in battle with BSG. And if ph. torpedoes are too unstable, they could steal one BSG's nukes, set them to detonate on a timer, and beam them back to the nuke launch bay (mega chain reaction), one to the command center (destroy the brain of the ship), or one to the FTL drive bay (which would be similar to a warp core breach), or three to each of these (yes, that sounds like Stargate SG1 tactics). BSG's ancient tech falls way short of even 23rd century tech- no shields, no transporter, etc. But all this discussion on BSG vs ST is kind of a mute point. Both ships represent the good guys- although some Colonials violently disagreed with some of the decisions of Adama and Roslin. Imagin the two working together in fighting either ships adversaries. The smaller Enterprise could circle the battle area in a guerilla style attack while Galactica presents a full on assault and fighter battle. The Cylons or the Borg would not stand a chance.