

Whatever happened to all those priceless artifacts on the moon's surface, left behind by the six Apollo missions back in the late '60s and early '70s? Well, the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter just sent back shots of some of the landing sites, showing tiny pieces of evidence that humans indeed walked on the moon, beginning with Apollo 11 almost 40 years ago.
Take a look at the gallery for closer shots of four of the sites, which we wish could reveal even more. Let's hope better pics are on the way. However, on one of them you can see an astronaut footpath. Take that, you crackpots who don't believe people never walked on the moon.
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By Giggity at 1:26 PM ON 07/17/09
lol These look like the same images that some crack-pots are posting on youtube about alien structures on the moon!!!
I cant wait for better res images or at least closer ones.
By MrConspiracy at 1:31 PM ON 07/17/09
This is bogus, the US never landed on the moon. These pictures look doctored. We can see galaxies being formed from the hubble but yet we show these poor pictures of something right here in our back yard. What a joke.
By Sam at 1:39 PM ON 07/17/09
What doesn't make sense to me is how we have the most powerful telescopes all over the world, capable of looking beyond our own galaxy, but no one thinks to point it at the moon over our heads.
With the magnification we are capable of today, we should be able to count the dimples on the rocks of the landing site.
What gives?
By slimjde at 1:39 PM ON 07/17/09
right on Mrconspiracy, I cant beleive that a 100 million dollar satelite cant take a better picture then my digital camera and how can they see foot prints when I cant even see the big equipment, LOL I mean come on. Here is the final proof, when they were on the moon video taping why did they never pan back to earth? We faked it so that we could say we beat the russians.
By Sam at 1:40 PM ON 07/17/09
Mr C be the man!
By Vikes4ever at 1:57 PM ON 07/17/09
I hope none of you are serious about never landing on the Moon. If you are, you're probably the same people who end up on Jay-walking with Jay Leno.
By MrConspiracy at 2:03 PM ON 07/17/09
Some of you out there may not be old enough to remember this movie but read the plot for Capricorn One(1978). Its mars not the moon but I think you will get my point based on slimjde comment. Hollywood makes a movie about nasa faking space missions. hmm.....
By beowuff at 2:17 PM ON 07/17/09
@Giggity
Well, those ARE alien structures on the moon, as we, as far as I know, are not native to the moon.
By levophed at 2:33 PM ON 07/17/09
You really need to polish up on your physics before you go spouting off. The reason they can't use Hubble to take surface pictures of the moon is the same reason you can't take a telephoto lens on your camera and take a close up picture of a bug on a leaf. The lenses on these supertelescope are made to take pictures of distant objects like other galaxies, not the relatively nearby objects (i.e. moon. They won't focus on objects that close.
By Anonymouse at 2:39 PM ON 07/17/09
Why can't Hubble see it? Simple logic
I'll post a few links but first sum what they are saying Hubble can see a galaxy cuz it is thousands of light years wide. Big object = easy to see. The lander is 9 feet wide. Small object = hard to see close up.
Its like looking at the moon and looking at an ant. The moon is far away but really easy to see because of its size. An ant is a lot closer but harder to see because it is smaller. If that doesn't make sense to people than god help you
Now the links
http://digg.com/space/Top_10_Apollo_hoax_claims_PICS
http://www.bautforum.com/archive/index.php/t-21388.html
As for land based telescopes...fail. There is too much interference in the atmosphere (haze, cloud cover, pollution, light pollution, O-zone, pollen grains.) Every little spec of dust in the air has a huge effect on quality
By Tracer at 2:51 PM ON 07/17/09
Well, for the conspiracy theorists. You can't point hubble at the moon. That's rediculous. The focal range is not going to include something so close as the moon. And I highly suspect that you will find that is the case for most all of the telescopes you all expect they should use. It may technically be possible, to zoom in on the moon like you all expect, you'd probably have to build a new telescope specifically to look at the moon because everything else would be too far. It's probably better to do what they did and build one that will look at everything else, as the usefulness of looking at individual rocks would be limited... Thus, not worth the investment... Nice try though.
By Bronto at 2:55 PM ON 07/17/09
I don't think any of you understand how modern large telescopes actually work. Maybe you should look into it.
By skyeman1 at 2:59 PM ON 07/17/09
It's NOT the focus that's the problem. The Moon and the galaxies are both essentially "at infinity" to the Hubble. It's the resolution. The Hubble can easily discern details that are about 1/100 of a second of arc, where there are 3600 seconds of arc in a degree.
If a detail on the Moon is 10 feet across, that's about 5x smaller than what the Hubble can detect.
That's why a spacecraft had to go there! When you're closer, you can see more details.
By doe at 3:01 PM ON 07/17/09
Guys,
They went to the moon, the whole "they didn't go to the moon thing" was made by NASA so you'd be misdirected and not look at the story they want to hide...what did they find on the moon?
By cds27 at 3:16 PM ON 07/17/09
I can go to Google maps and practically read my license plate number. Perhaps NASA should hire Google? I mean come on! NASA can't afford to send a telescope with enough ass? Or do they just need more time to doctor some pics up? I mean, Google maps is even in COLOR. And as far as footprints go...they are not visible for one but they should be ALL OVER the place.
If America wants to believe they sent a Jiffy pop maker to the moon so be it. I know if I went to the moon, the first photograph I would take would be of the Earth and the millions of stars...oh wait, there aren't any of those in any of the images...okay, whatever. We have had two major space shuttle disasters just trying to get to the space station and NASA is trying to resolve the immense Cosmic Radiation issue as we speak but apparently, in 1969 they were much more advanced because they sent a tin can with aluminum foil onto the moon without incident and suffered no medical issues from cosmic radiation....blah!
By cds27 at 3:23 PM ON 07/17/09
Let's talk about the "new, enhanced" footage just released. Let's not forget that NASA maintains they REUSED the tape that the original footage was on. Let me say that again, the original footage is lost because NASA REUSED original footage of the moon landing and now give the public horrible "enhanced" copies of footage. Shouldn't someone be in jail for not keeping the ORIGINAL FOOTAGE? Let's not even TRY to figure out why on Earth NASA would need to REUSE tapes anyway.
By Giggity at 3:35 PM ON 07/17/09
lol beowuff...ya got me on that one!
By Kevin Hall at 3:37 PM ON 07/17/09
By Xalseqsn at 3:38 PM ON 07/17/09
I sincerely hope the trolls are out tonight. See the above comments if you haven't. omg trolls.
@cds27: the google map high-res footage is taken from airplanes, not satellites. Confirm for yourself by trying to get high res images from the middle of nowhere: doesn't exist because no one paid a plane to fly a photo mission in the middle of no where, so you only get the satellite images.
@cds27: the astronauts pass *through* the van allen belts too fast to suffer lasting damage. It is only long exposure that we're worried about with people on the station, and 18 month trips to mars.
all of us internet geeks should know and love SNOPES: http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/hoaxes/moon.asp
look it up before you believe the meme.
or
[F]irst [A]sk [G]oogle!
By cds27 at 3:48 PM ON 07/17/09
OK...so don't hire Google...satellites exist that can take better pics than what they have given us...period. As for the Van Allen Belts what exactly is the exposure time? I need a Lead vest at the dentist and it is a fraction of the radiation directed at a small portion of my head and a fraction of time I am exposed. So semantics aside....
By cds27 at 3:58 PM ON 07/17/09
So I went and looked up Google and it is ALL satellite images, just differences in resolution, NO AIRPLANES. there is a street view with some dude driving around, but depending on your city you may be ULTRA resolution (where you can count ticks on zebras) or just standard resolution in the middle of nowhere or there is high resolution for most metro areas. There are no airplanes. One ultra resolution area to view is Mannheim Germany. Check it out
By MrConspiracy at 3:59 PM ON 07/17/09
My point wasn't that hubble could be used to examine the moon. My point was we can make technology to look billions of miles into space but we can't get HD photos of the moon. Who cares about the original footage, show me some clear photos today, not 40 years ago. Not ones possibly faked in a secret hanger out in nevada.
By Mooned ya! at 4:12 PM ON 07/17/09
Looks like the same photos they keep showing us year after year. They have been mapping out the lunar surface for years, but these are as close as they will ever show us. Also, they keep saying we cannot get a shot from Earth because they landed partially on the dark side of the moon. Looks like dead center lighted side to me. Also, the recent Shuttle launch debris, NASA's initial response was "Reflections" and "Glare from light". BS NASA, you think we are stupid, don't you?
By Znewell at 4:25 PM ON 07/17/09
Yay conspiracy theorists. With every mention of the moon landings you flock in to point out and exaggerate every little detail that you feel supports your theory. Starting off here by making severe mistakes regarding our telescope technology (the other responders to this article make very good points...do try taking a picture, with your digital cameras, of something a centimeter or two from the lens and see how it looks) and even looking to a movie script? And then mentioning things like the view of Earth and the lack of stars...I believe that these examples of "evidence" of fake moon landings have been covered extensively, and debunked, by numerous professionals and the results published extensively...hell, even Mythbusters did this one and blew it out of the water. You honestly think, that in a project that involved thousands of people, millions of dollars, our overly vicious media, and had a very public face, that such a gigantic lie could have been kept secret for forty years? That would be an achievement that would rival actually landing on the moon! I look at it this way: everything that has been presented to us logically, thus far, says that the United States landed on the moon. The only things that say otherwise are a set of extremely shaky observations made by people who seem steadfastly determined, for whatever reason, to deny these well-documented and well-scrutinized events. Even if clearer pictures came out, you'd say that they are Photoshopped. Even if numerous professionals examined the images and video and declared them sound, you'd claim that they were paid off. No reasonable argument will divert you but I certainly wish it would! Maybe at some point we'll have live footage from an excellent camera over the landing sites and we'll know for sure whether or not the landings took place. But I personally think that the blind devotion to the lesser interpretation of the moon landings is an insult to the achievement that that so many people worked so hard to make happen. If you're proven right, and it didn't happen, I'll eat my words...but everything I see says that you're wrong.
By Znewell at 4:33 PM ON 07/17/09
Oh, and as for the comment about the photos being light despite NASA's explanation that the landings were placed partially on the dark side of the moon: the moon has a synchronous rotation...one side of it always faces the Earth. The dark side of the moon in this case does not refer to a side that is always dark (which does not exist) but the side that faces away from the Earth. So if the Apollo landings did occur partially on the dark side, or rather the far side, (which may not be the case if the picture at the beginning of the article with the landing locations is correct), telescopes on Earth would not be able to see the landing sites.
By DURF01 at 6:44 PM ON 07/17/09
I DO BELIVE ASTRONUATS WALKED ON THE MOON AND IT IS ABOUT TIME THAT WE HAVE PROOF.CAN'T WAIT TO SEE MORE PICTURES IN GEATER DETAIL.
By levophed at 8:00 PM ON 07/17/09
Very well said Znewell. Come on people, the govt can't even keep it a secret when a president gets a hummer in the oval office. I don't think they could keep something as big as a faked moon landing under wraps.
By monster at 6:35 AM ON 07/18/09
To all you naysayers that keep saying someone needs to build something to take high res pictures of the Moon: if it were really that simple one of you conspiracy theorists would have done it already, or at least tried to.
By Ron at 10:15 AM ON 07/18/09
NASA has engaged in their own PR program to convince Americans they went to the moon: So why doesn't NASA show images of the Lunar Rovers that were allegedly left on the moon? Huh?
By bh at 10:20 AM ON 07/18/09
Alert: Conspiracy Theorists
Big brother is not watching!
You're not worth the effort.
By cds27 at 10:33 AM ON 07/18/09
Why has no other country gone to the moon? Other countries go to the space station using far superior technology than employed in 1969. Why was the Space station not built on the moon? Why have we not been back? Why do we have to wait until 2020 for NASA to figure out how to go to the moon?
I want to believe we went to the moon, I think we will eventually get to the moon but all of this "evidence" is nothing. I want NASA to prove me wrong. I want clear pictures...they could do it, if they can get clear pics of Earth they can get clear pics of the moon.
By Super Conspiracy Guy at 6:11 PM ON 07/18/09
The real conspiracy is that there is NO MOON! What we see is a government launched picture of what looks like the moon. The real moon was stolen by aliens back in the 1940's. The whole thing has been covered up by giant secret department in the government run by the aliens' co-conspirators within the government. It's these large expenditures that have caused large deficits over the last 50 years.
By zarchitect at 8:12 PM ON 07/18/09
I have no idea what to believe - though looking at all the fact of history at the time - do know there was HUGE pressure on the US to up the ante over the Sputnik. What better than to walk on moon. ok - that's that..
But now we get a story of "oops, the original is gone - sorry"... that's just weird. With today's tech, you could analyze and determine "fakeness" - perhaps it's too convenient. Maybe it's really just a mistake - a BIG ASS mistake...
We'll only truly know when we can see pictures from a 3rd party...
By Sam at 11:14 PM ON 07/18/09
Of course they used a copy of the original footage. Didn't you hear how last year when the footage was to be declassified and released to the public it disappeared and has not been mentioned since.
See! No conspiracy! It's all real. If they'd only kept the original and let us all see it you could have seen me holding up the earth reflection in the background when I had an itch.
Ah, good times.
By democratsarefascists at 3:23 AM ON 07/19/09
The numbers on the skeptics are very interesting.
About six percent, but I'd bet in private the number is higher.
And they're all Democrats, Libertarians and Ron Paul supporters.
That's all I'll say.
Except that the article has a double negative in it.
By fairuse at 5:21 AM ON 07/19/09
Oh my! Thanks dvice you are now an entry in my Journal [draft copy live but changes], "Apollo 11 Week without Conspiracy Theory? NoWay!". LRO vs Hubble? Spy sat security requires hiding closeup of UFO crash site on moon? I think a current school grads [doing what?] vs 1950's school grads [did the space race heavy lifting] political kick fight match is yours. Now how do I write it? Easy ask my wife who is essay writer. Pardon my silly comment but I have read this kind of commentary all week on Apollo and tapes. Go to NASA's Youtube site and watch the briefing on tapes people. Learn to not be a parrot! http://www.youtube.com/user/NASAtelevision
By Baqir at 6:21 AM ON 07/19/09
Well these images are really real. I believe in technology. We are saying that humans never landed on the moon because we cannot imagine people doing out of the world job..yet we are posting these stupid comments on the internet using "out of the world" and "state of the art" technology of Computer science. I mean...how can we convert images movies sounds into 010101010101 and transmit to thousands of miles.....so in the same way humans can do anything and they sure have landed on the moon. ..congratulations NASA.
By PeepsMcJuggs at 10:36 AM ON 07/19/09
Okay, here's a physics lesson for all the effing moron conspiracy theorists:
The maximum theoretical resolution of a space-based telescope is a product of the distance multiplied by the Rayleigh criterion, expressed as:
s=L*1.22*λ/D
Where L is the distance from the telescope to the object, λ is the wavelength of light (we'll use 550nm), and D is the diameter of the lens.
So, based on best case scenario looking at the moon, for Hubble:
s=3.61*10^8 m * 1.22 * 550*10^-9 m / 2.4 m = 100 meters
For the LRO, the wide angle camera which took these images is MUCH SMALLER, even if it's closer to the moon, so it also has a stated resolution of approximately 100 meters.
So what does this mean to the layman?
In scientific terms, you're not going to get good resolution of anything on the moon smaller than a football field (these images are probably slightly better as the orbit isn't perfectly round, and the resolution improves when the satellite is closer to the moon).
In human terms, you need to get your ass off the internets and go get a freakin' education.
By Danny at 11:09 AM ON 07/19/09
THOSE PICTURES ARE SO CLARIFYING... GOSH!!! CAN DO BETTER IN MY OLD COMPUTER!!! SHOW SOMETHING THAT REALLY DO SOME DIFFERENCE AND NOT THIS TWILIGHT ZONE IMAGES.
By Handle at 12:05 PM ON 07/19/09
Don't you all thik that you are the most Unfortunate ppl, we are advancing but you still belive that we did no land on the moon...how pitty :/ common, you don't want to become a noon until we have moved to mars and you still won't accept it. Don't get distracted of what others(the stupidos make up story about we dint go to mars) think!! Twelve ppl walked on the moon,!!!http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_landing think about it, don't want be left behind blinded....;
By Correction...want justice for what armstrong and buzz have done and don't forget the other that orb at 12:10 PM ON 07/19/09
Don't you all thik that you are the most Unfortunate ppl, we are advancing but you still belive that we did no land on the moon...how pitty :/ common, you don't want to become a noob until we have moved to mars and you still won't accept it. Don't get distracted of what others(the stupidos make up story about we dint go to moon) think!! Twelve ppl walked on the moon,!!!http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_landing think about it, don't want be left behind blinded....;
By jc at 5:39 PM ON 07/19/09
For those who are interested, images of the moon taken by the orbiting LRO, which are quite excellent, are available here:
http://wms.lroc.asu.edu/lroc_browse
Regarding cds27's comments -- if this person applied a little common sense, he could answer the very basic questions being asked on his own with minimal effort. (Assuming he's at least as smart as a moron.)
By sspeed at 6:14 PM ON 07/19/09
All those impact craters were individually planned by God and are evidence of His master plan.
By PeepsMcJuggs at 8:10 PM ON 07/19/09
Yes, sspeed, because God created a universe so he could micromanage everything in it.
By RG at 6:12 AM ON 07/20/09
If in case you don't know, at the time there was a race to reach the moon between USSR and the USA.
At the time the USSR were as technologically advanced as America.
When America sent the Apollo missions to the moon, the Soviet Union was remotely tracking their progress.
If the Soviet Union had any doubt that they had not reached the moon, they would have been the first ones to say that it did not happen.
However they accepted it, because they had tracked and verified the moon landings themselves.
The most interesting part, is that the conspiracy theorists that say that the moon landings did not happen, tend to be dumb Americans, whom cannot be convinced even though there is countless proof that it happened.
By wdwyer at 9:06 AM ON 07/20/09
Dear lord people. If you doubt there was a landing on the moon in 1969, all you need to do is look up the Lunar Laser Ranging Experiment. It measures the distance between the Earth and the Moon using laser ranging. It is an experiment that STILL is working today. There is no secret about it, no cover up, but no one who doubts even bothers to ask them. The landing was real, there is the proof right there. People who are too stubborn to believe are never going to believe. They find some piece of inconsequential evidence to the contrary, and build up an entire persona dedicated to not believing. While all they need to do is look in the right place.
By wdwyer at 10:06 AM ON 07/20/09
By the way, why has no other country gone to the moon yet? While I cannot and don't assume I can answer for each and every one. The fact that sending someone to the moon is completely different and harder than taking a shuttle ride to the International Space Station is one. You non-believers seem to think that the US got it right on the first try. Between the Pioneer and Ranger missions, 15 of the 18 failed, even the 3 successes all crashed on the surface of the moon. The USSR had 22 total missions, only 4 were successful. They had the first Lunar impact, the first flyby of the far side of the moon, and the first 2 Lunar hard landings, and took the very first pictures of the lunar landscape from the surface.
This doesn't even mention the numerous other missions each side took. We are talking extremely expensive research. but even so ESA, Japan, India and China have all had RECENT hard landings on the moon. The rest of the world is now catching up. Specifically China, India, Japan, Iran, Turkey have dual-aimed space programs - military and civilian. Programs of South Korea, Malaysia, Indonesia and Thailand are mainly civilian.
Vietnam has the claim as the first Asian in sapce, on July 23, 1980, Phạm Tuân on board the Soyuz 37.
To those who think no other country has tried, doesn' t bother doing research. USA, Japan, India, China, Europe, & Russia all have planned moon missions before the next US attempt.
Germany even cancelled a plan launch in 2012 due to lack of money.
India's interest in space travel had a modest beginning in the early 1960s, when scientists launched a small rocket above the jungles of Kerala. Now India has its own space launch vehicles, has launched several satellites, sent a probe to the moon and demonstrated re-entry technology.
Heck China's space program has only been in the spotlight since 2003, when it STARTED manned space launches.
Not every country has had the funding and money to launch these expensive machines into space, let alone put a man on the moon.
Read a book!
By Trollhattan at 5:04 PM ON 07/20/09
@wdwyer: Don't you know by now that facts simply mess up a ripping good yarn? Pesky things, facts.
If the luna-tricks(tm) get their collective knickers in a twist over the moon landings, I imagine they sure don't believe we have rovers putting around Mars. Nevertheless, here's Spirit, nicely photographed from the Mars Orbiter:
http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/figures/PIA06879_fig1.jpg
What's the statistical correlation between moon landing deniers and Obama birthers? I'm guessing it's very high. Birds of a feather and all.
By thdewey at 9:35 AM ON 07/22/09
I hope that those that joke about this know what all the people that worked on Apollo sacrificed (long hours away from family) to bring President Kennedy's dream to reality. Conspiracy theories are a spit in the face to lose that worked so hard!
I was BORN on the day Apollo 11 lifted off. At the time my Dad was an engineer for Grumman and worked on the Lunar Module. He was no astronaut but he and thousands of others deserve appreciation for bringing American know-how to the forefront of discovery.
By taxmillionaires at 12:15 PM ON 07/23/09
I distinctly remember the lunar missions involving mirrors pointed back at earth with "lasers pointed at them from earth" to detect....god I don't know, moonquakes? Anyway, has it occurred to anyone that those mirrors should still be there, and anyone with 1969 technology (some geek at a community college?) should be able to reproduce nasa's experiments with them? I've never heard anyone bring this up.
By kreyon at 12:44 PM ON 07/23/09
I am amazed that a web site based on technology cannot figure out how to show us pictures in a list without us having to reload the whole page and all thumbnails every time we click next!!! I could have done a better job in my Sleep! hello losers! find a real web developer to write your "tech" pages!!!! what a bunch of morons, no wonder thye are changing the name from SciFi to SyFy, they are too Dumb to be associated with actual science!!!
By Silencia Dogooder at 12:55 PM ON 07/23/09
"We" DID "go to the Moon", just like the Russians. With UNmanned craft which probably took some images and also returned some Moon rocks, just like the Russians did. (they also had some robotic rovers, which we did not, that we know of) It is known that NASA faked AT LEAST some of the photos, so they cannot be trusted. (with these) "They" (alphabet soup agencies) claim that they can read a license plate THROUGH ATMOSPHERE from a satellite approx 200 miles high, and the best NASA can do on the Moon is these 1 meter res images from 31 miles high. Give me a freaking break! What a joke! I can see my house on Google Earth with better resolution than these photos, IN COLOR. I REALLY don't and didn't want to believe the Moon landings were faked, but there is too much GOOD evidence that they were. (and admittedly a lot of bad evidence, too) One thing I found recently REALLY pissed me off, because it put me Beyond a Reasonable Doubt, and that is that the Gemini and other spacewalk photos and the more recent Space Shuttle spacewalk photos show a "spoked Sun" reflection in the helmet visors, but on the Moon they reflect what looks like a studio light, when they should (MUST!) be the same. Sun (or light) reflections look different, especially in the vacuum of space and on the Moon versus the Earth in atmosphere. That seriously pissed me off!
By Silencia Dogooder at 1:15 PM ON 07/23/09
btw -- What kind of 'official' people do they have posting info on this site? The last sentence above, "Take that, you crackpots who don't believe people never walked on the moon." is a nonsensical double negative. Simple English much? (luckily most of us are smart enough to know what he meant) Typical sub-intelligence of the type of people who use the terms "conspiracies" and "conspiracy theorist" as dismissive negative and derogatory arguments, which is usually completely irrational. Luckily irrationality is still "bad" in most people's minds. Conspiracies Happen. Every day. In the U.S. and around the world. They are part of our legal system: Conspiracy to Commit Murder, Conspiracy to Commit Fraud, the RICO statutes. At their most benign, a good example is Surprise Birthday Parties. People who try to use the anti-conspiracy crappe arguments lose before they start. They are good for a laugh, though. What a bunch of Idiots. Try using your Evolution-given brains and quit embarrassing the Human Race / Species.
By Jamack at 1:29 PM ON 07/23/09
I use to think we did land on the Moon. The problem is we seem to have forgot how we did and cannot duplicate how we can LAND!
We only know how to crash land a craft. Hello, this is 30+ years latter and we still can not do it. Proof in itself. As for the lazer mirrors on the moon - the Russians and US crashed landed them there decades ago. Why is it no HD pictures being taken by Japan's orbiters can't see them - only see crashed junk on Moon. So I put it to you - either take HD pictures of them there or we better show where all that money went!!!
By captphrank at 1:34 PM ON 07/23/09
I to have a problem with the telescopic photos. I'm an amature Astronomer. I have seen beautiful Photos of Jupiter. The resolution is fantastic. One can see the cloud storms and plumes that are in the bands of clouds that circle the palnet...BUT, why is it that the rings of Jupiter cannot be seen clearly... For years I've heard that the rings are made of Ice and rocks ranging from pebbles to Volkswagons, to House size, and yet all we see is this smooth ring..Why do we not see the House size rocks?...and don't tell me because Jupiter is to close for telescopes to focus..Thats BS!... I have a 750 power Field spotter, (Used by bird watchers and Hunters) that I periodically view the moon with. I cansee the mountain ridges on the edges of the moon VERY clearly. Even throught the shimmering atmosphere, from my backyard in a lighted city...Why can't a normal telescop like the Licks Obsrvatory (just miles from my house) see these landing sites?.. Doesn't make sense...as for some of the statements made here about "Color" and Stars not being seen from the moon. I had the privelege to meet with Astronaut Ella Ochoa, (which was a real treat sense my name is Phrank Ochoa), she has 9 patenets in optical equipment. I asked her point blank, "do you see any color when your up there?".. She said "No, just Black and white..?"... Iasked " do you see Thousands of stars?".. She said "No, not really..We see the same as you do here on Earth, because of the Sun, which is always up and the Glare hides most of it..." so, if you can believe an all American girl who is intellegent, next door neighbor like, and an expert in Optical science... Well there you have it... I truly believe there are MANY things that scientist CAN'T explain.The universe is stranger than you might know. How Strange?... Read about Quantum Physics... What do you think happens when you go into a room, alone, and close the door?... Whats going on outside that room that you can't see?...Unbelievable...!....capt.
By jillbilly at 1:40 PM ON 07/23/09
I'm thinking that they simply didn't find anything up there that could be exploited (and ultimately squabbled over). That must have been very disappointing; too bad good men died trying. The conspiracy makes a more satisfying story.
By captphrank at 1:43 PM ON 07/23/09
Please forgive me.. The astronuats name is "Ellen" not Ella (Ella is my GrandDaughter..LOL).. and forgive my spelling... I know theres quite a few mispelled words. I tend to think faster than my "Hen Pecking" fingers, when I'm excited about something...capt.
By Truth B. Told at 1:57 PM ON 07/23/09
I know how we can prove the Lunar landings to all the conspiracy chowderheads out there... we'll load 'em all up for a one-way rocket ride to the Moon (Alice)!
That way both the Apollo missions can be successfully verified and improve the gene pool in one shot.
You're welcome.
By RenegadeSwing at 2:00 PM ON 07/23/09
"you crackpots who don't believe people never walked on the moon." HEY! I'm one-a dem! I DO Believe people walked on the Moon!
By PeepsMcJuggs at 2:06 PM ON 07/23/09
Silencia, you're an idiot. Captphrank, you're even more of an idiot for owning a telescope and not even understanding how it works. Please reference my above post to gain some appreciation for why the two of you have made everyone in this room dumber for having listened. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your souls.
By dvnobles at 2:32 PM ON 07/23/09
As usual, conspiracy theorist won't admit they are wrong even when presented with the evidence. I doubt flying them to the moon and showing them the objects would even help. For you bright people who wonder why we can't point radio telescopes at the moon and get digital pictures...please don't breed. For optical telescopes, any scientist in the know will tell you we do not have telescopes powerful enough to take pictures from earth or from earth orbit and get that kind of detail. Look at what kind of detail we get with a Lunar Orbiter and um...it's a LUNAR ORBITER. Oh, but I suppose the Japanese government is in on it to. I would like nothing better than to send you morons to the moon (without a suit) so you can get one glimpse of the American flag before you die from what little oxygen your brain needs to survive on.
By Vas Defrence at 2:38 PM ON 07/23/09
Giggity is right... this just proves still that the crack-pots were right, the moon HAS been visited before. . . . or has it?
By Camaro1969SS at 3:02 PM ON 07/23/09
Do you really think the Russians would have let us fake a moon landing in the days of the Cold War I think its amazing they made it there and back in 1969
By vfxwill at 3:19 PM ON 07/23/09
wow - silly thread for such an awesome event. Not much to contribute in a forum like this - but for anyone who wants to see many very cool images - I HIGHLY RECOMMEND the move "For All Mankind" It is 100% the astronauts own footage and narrative shot on the various Apollo missions. It is really an inspiring and visually amazing movie. Those guys were/are real heroes.
By easeoff at 3:45 PM ON 07/23/09
For the conspiracy theorists:
1. The moon is too close to be viewed by Hubble. According to you it should also be possible to swing Hubble around and spy on other countries or get great shots of nude beaches..
2. The camera on the sattelite is probably no bigger than your everyday SLR with a telephoto lens. It's orbiting hundreds of miles above the moon. If you can get the highest resolution camera that's available with a top of the line lens to see something in great detail from a hundred miles away you should contact NASA and seek employment.
3. The reason google maps is so detailed is that they used a mixture of satellite photography mixed with photos taken from aircraft. When you can almost "read your license plate number" the photo came from a plane not a satellite.
4. NASA doesn't need HD shots of the Lunar surface because they use much more expensive, reliable equipment to plot the lunar surface (radar, laser, etc). These methods can see into craters and even on the dark side of the moon where the sun never shines and therefore visible light photography would be useless.
5. NASA doesn't have the money to pull off an elaborate hoax with rocket launches to nowhere, secret stages with expertly built sets, and hush money for everyone who would have been invloved.
6. People are greedy. If there was a hoax if offered enough money someone who was involved would have blabbed in a heartbeat for enough money.
By captphrank at 4:16 PM ON 07/23/09
PeepMcJuggs.. your an Ass!.. If you could read at all you'd know I said a Field Spotter, NOT a Telescope..Not that you would know the difference or the true beauty of science. Your name was given to you out of sheer prophocey...Bird Brain!...People like you stagnate freedom of exspression by using intimadating words to stifle others imagination... What time and day is your next Book Burning?.. I would like to witness your true character...capt.
By Rickyv at 5:03 PM ON 07/23/09
no one here has seen the special were they show the radar signal coming from a device we left there. You see it bouncing back. and besides get out a telescope you can see the mess we left.
By Totono at 5:33 PM ON 07/23/09
As noying as people who believe moon landigs were a hoax, we just have to ignore them. They will always say that proof of landigs is fake, simply because that is what they want to believe. They will always make some explanation that doesn't prove anything 100% it is just makes it a posibility.
They say something is fake just because it can be faked, well today we have reached the technology that allows us to make real looking special FX of about anything. So there is no point. The one thing that the "hoax guys" should consider is respect, yes RESPECT. If you tell anyone that their job is a hoax, they won't like it. So the moon landings seem improbable, but it is not impossible. People talk about it as if they were scientist when they are not. I've heard all the reasons why moon landigs are hoax and many are ilogical just by the correct knowledge of science. I'm a photographer, with a major in stereoscopic imagery, and and an animator (2D and 3D and VFX) so I have to know as much as I can about physics, optics, and other sciences. And the very few reasons that sound logical have been logicaly explained to be untrue too.
You can't see stars during day time, even on the moon's day time. The dark side of the moon is a part of the moon that is not visible to us from Earth, but it does get sun light, when we dont see the moon because the sun is behind it. We always see the same face of the moon. And I coulg go on and on...
So the reasons to believe the moon landings are true to those who know about science and believe in the hard work of the fellows from NASA.
The reasons to believe the moon landings are a hoax are there to people who believe that if something can be fake it must be fake and have no respect for people who work hard in achieving the hardest of things.
And another thing I came across while resarching about these "hoax guys". Some groups of people actually believe the earth is FLAT!! YES, FLAT! The actualy believe the whole space program is a hoax and that space pictures showing the earth as a sphere are doctored images and lies.
What does that tell ya?
By JAFO at 5:39 PM ON 07/23/09
I love people who believe we never landed on the moon, that these photos are fake, or think they know how telescopes work (i.e. that the Hubble could take a picture of a penny on the moon and read the year on it). They're the same ones who see a US flag flying in the wind but don't know how many stars are on it because it's moving too fast to count them. Go back to school, learn the facts about things, then you can come back to discuss them intelligently.
By RecycledBottle at 5:52 PM ON 07/23/09
LOL - we cannot see galaxies being formed with the Hubble. We see various rays of light the naked human eye can't see then we run mathematical equations and infer (ie guess) that they are galaxies forming. At least with the moon you can step out of your anal cavity and touch it.
By bluezer at 6:03 PM ON 07/23/09
I can't believe all this is written here under such a small article. More is, I can't believe I read all this. Y'all enjoy yourselves...hear.
By Karl at 8:36 PM ON 07/23/09
Hubble can't resolve anything that small on the moon.
By Rild9 at 8:36 PM ON 07/23/09
By Karl at 8:41 PM ON 07/23/09
Looks like the link didn't make it. Lets try again.
http://hubblesite.org/reference_desk/faq/answer.php.id=77&cat=topten
By flckrngstar at 8:41 PM ON 07/23/09
hey all you twits! now you can view the moon on google. why don't you go there and look for yourselves! http://www.google.com/moon/
By Entil-Zha at 9:17 PM ON 07/23/09
Well here is why. As for the why Hubble for instance can not look upon it is the fact it is due to focal length. It was not realy not designed to look at things in our neighborhood. take for instance for comparison if you were of normal vision. And you were to look at an object from far away and it is clear as day. Well then if you were to look atyour finger at the tip of your nose with just one eye your eye cannot focus upon somthing that close. you would need a different lense to be able to focus upon somthing that close. Galactly speeking the moon is at the end of your nose.
By dezhag at 9:46 PM ON 07/23/09
Galaxies produce light, by 100 of milions of stars. The equipment left on the moon does not and are extremely small in comparison to a lander base ,flag and some footprints.
By EasyriderFL at 12:44 AM ON 07/24/09
Man... Someone stole the lunar rovers that were with Apollo 16 and 17... Somebody call the cops!!!
By reader at 2:42 AM ON 07/24/09
nice article, i love the pictures.
thanks for posting.
By Craig Mathieson at 7:17 AM ON 07/24/09
Amazing how the conspiracy theorists cling to their prejudices. But we shouldn't be surprised, since prejudice always ignores any information that doesn't affirm it and interprets all information to reinforce the opinion already held. Keep wearing the tinfoil hats guys, make sure The Man doesn't get to change your mind with his hypno-ray. ;-)
By Silencia Dogooder at 7:46 AM ON 07/24/09
This "easeoff " guy is seriously not only not very bright, he is pretty much an Idiot. Typical of people who are anti-"Moon Hoax" spuds. Points corrected from his post: (stupidity is rampant among these types, and yet they sing their intellectual praises amongst each other like they are praying to god, and to anyone who will listen)
....By easeoff at 3:45 PM ON 07/23/09
....For the conspiracy theorists:
....1. The moon is too close to be viewed by Hubble.
WRONG. They have imaged the Moon with Hubble. As usual, you are completely clueless.
....2. The camera on the sattelite is....orbiting hundreds of miles above the moon....
WRONG. It averages 31 miles in altitude. As usual, you are completely clueless.
....3. ....When you can almost "read your license plate number" the photo came from a plane not a satellite.
WRONG. As usual, you are completely clueless.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite_imagery
....4. NASA doesn't need HD shots of the Lunar surface....
WRONG. Those are just stupid and asinine statements to make. Period.
....5. NASA doesn't have the money to pull off an elaborate hoax....
WRONG. Are you seriously THAT clueless? You need to educate yourself before you embarrass yourself like this. Read about compartmentalization. Literally only a handful of people needed to know what was really going on. The majority thought it was real, and still do. Manhattan Project much? And it would be CHEAPER to NOT do it with humans. Do you even think before you spout crappe out of your mind?
....6. People are greedy....
WRONG 6 times out of 6. Although there have been some whistleblowers (who did not do it for money), there are "patriots" who believe in "national security" and oaths they take, don't like the idea of (potentially) committing treason, don't want to go to jail, etc., etc., etc.
I don't know why I even bother with worthless spuds like you. Except that there might be people out there who read the crappe you write and nod and agree because they are easily led astray by the likes of you and your ilk.
By Silencia Dogooder at 8:04 AM ON 07/24/09
And McSPUD "PeepsMcJuggs" is actually more of an Idiot than "easeoff ". (i know, I know, it's hard to believe) Typical that he suggests others need an education when he is the one who is obviously severely lacking in one. How self-embarrassing can you get? What a JOKE of a human being he is.
The LROC makes high-resolution, black-and-white images of the surface, capturing images of the poles with resolutions down to 1 meter. If they were 100-meter wide angle photos, you could not see the (supposed) craft and other things at all. Logic much? Think much?
Try not being stupid and LEARN to use the Internet. Since I am right and you are wrong, the chances of me being more right about this stuff than you is MUCH higher. As I have shown with actual Critical Thinking and real information instead of spouting mind-crappe like you do.
You sub-learned, under-educated, illogical, irrational, fuzzy-brained SPUDS will always lose in an argument because you cannot hold your own against the likes of people who are your obvious intellectual betters. (which isn't all that hard most of the time)
By taxmillionaires at 11:17 AM ON 07/24/09
I would think that even you condescending snarky astronomy officianados out there would be a little perplexed that we could hit a suitcase sized mirror, on the moon, from earth with a laser in 1969 , and 40 years later we can't focus on a 30 ft wide diameter lunar landing module with any kind of technology at all.
By random at 11:54 AM ON 07/24/09
people are always gonna be the same when we go to mars people later are gonna say we never did it was faked so there's no point in talking to redneck hill billies that are to stupid to know anything about science
By captphrank at 1:49 PM ON 07/24/09
The "Rings of Jupiter"...Prejuduce,Bigotry,hatered,ignorence, and denial effects everyone. When this forum opened about the returning to the moon and the mapping of the "Old" landing sites, came up, everyone was so eager to point fingers, and bash each other, that the little things in the Big picture were ignored. How can we all say were technologically civilized when all we want to do is attack each others beliefs. Some of us believe the Moon landing was a Hoax, others believe it happened...Thats O.K...,but to attack others for this belief is backstepping.Isn't this what happened to Galileo, Newton, and Ptolemy? the people who were against these Astronomy Giants were so affraid of their different beliefs, they were blinded from seeing the truth. Time has told us who was right, and time will again show us who is right here...ignorance blinds us from the facts....The Rings of Jupiter?...com'on people...capt.
By Logica at 10:26 PM ON 07/24/09
Grow up people...a few Billion dollars and this amount of debate...Multi-trillion dollar new budgets and you are quiet...sad
By burneggroll at 11:00 PM ON 07/24/09
Are you kidding me? Compare the astronaut's footprint geoglyph to the desert lines on the Nazca plains in Peru. New respect for the ancients.
By PeepsMcJuggs at 7:41 AM ON 07/25/09
Silencia, first of all, if you had half a brain, you'd know that the LROC consists of THREE cameras, two narrow-angle cameras, and one wide-angle camera. The original press statement I pulled from NASA'S HOMEPAGE stated these photos were taken with the WAC. The updated statement doesn't clarify what lens was used, although other websites (NOT NASA) are saying it was one of the NACs, and NASA's now stating the images were taken before orbit had been fully established, so it probably WAS the NAC. And as I said, you pathetic idiot, 100m resolution is RELATIVE TO YOUR DISTANCE FROM THE OBJECT, for the same reason that if these were taken from the NACs at a distance greater than the established orbit, it would ALSO explain why they are not 1m resolution.
Using the internet does not qualify you as intelligent. Get back to me when your knowledge is something beyond Google.
By CondeZero at 11:07 AM ON 07/25/09
The real "conspiracy": the universe that we are a part of is really a simulation operated by the "Anti-True Being" in order to keep "the "True Being" occupied and distracted. Why? In order to continue the cover-up --- the "Big Bang" actually went horribly wrong!
By Watja_Filaf at 4:53 PM ON 07/25/09
I believed that we did go to the moon then I began to read all the conspiracy so, I ask this if we did go why have we not gone back ? In 40 years? is there something "they" don't want us to know?
Maybe we did go but, we found something there and wont go back...hmmm.
By Atlantis2012 at 4:53 PM ON 07/25/09
you people need to understand that NASA is behind the hoax that we never went to the moon they created it to keep people from noseing around what they really found there,
read the book Dark Mission it explains it all.
By purphekt at 11:13 PM ON 07/25/09
Google doesn't take any pictures. Google uses commercial U2 and Keyhole satellite images. You should check you references next time before you go and step in up to your neck know it alls. Are any of you actually earned a high school diploma?
By purphekt at 11:15 PM ON 07/25/09
Google doesn't take any pictures. Google uses commercial U2 and Keyhole satellite images. You should check you references next time before you go and step in up to your neck know it alls. Have any of you actually earned a high school diploma?
By FsR at 7:43 PM ON 07/26/09
"Take that, you crackpots who don't believe people never walked on the moon."
So, you're dissing the people who say men DID walk on the moon? At least you have some sense. As if NASA can independently verify their own hoax...
By Ceye at 1:35 PM ON 07/28/09
Where? WHERE? WHERE? "I don see nothin' man.". All I see is arrows. Sorry folks, but lets get it together or I'll delete you from my Mail list... Footprints BAH HumBUG!
By Shimarisu at 1:51 PM ON 07/28/09
Aloha Everyone,
I have read through the countless comments made from both sides, watched the videos made by both NASA and the CT's and I have but this to say...
"who Cares?"
Whether we did land on the moon or not is a completely useless argument.
+ IF we did land on the moon... Great, it truly was a breakthrough for mankind and the USA won the original space race. It's sad though that even though our technology has moved forward, we have stepped back from even sending up unmanned probes to explore.
+ IF we didn't land on the moon, it doesn't change much of anything here. It's not like we could have opened a vacation resort there on the moon anyways and even if we had it would have been more boring than anything elese we can imagine.
I think that we have more pressing issues right here and right now... But if you believe that it is or isn't a hoax and you want an argument, then go ahead and waste your energy on it.
It won't change a thing here though.
By Shimarisu at 1:53 PM ON 07/28/09
Aloha Everyone,
I have read through the countless comments made from both sides, watched the videos made by both NASA and the CT's and I have but this to say...
"who Cares?"
Whether we did land on the moon or not is a completely useless argument.
+ IF we did land on the moon... Great, it truly was a breakthrough for mankind and the USA won the original space race. It's sad though that even though our technology has moved forward, we have stepped back from even sending up unmanned probes to explore.
+ IF we didn't land on the moon, it doesn't change much of anything here. It's not like we could have opened a vacation resort there on the moon anyways and even if we had it would have been more boring than anything elese we can imagine.
I think that we have more pressing issues right here and right now... But if you believe that it is or isn't a hoax and you want an argument, then go ahead and waste your energy on it.
It won't change a thing here though.
By Shimarisu at 1:56 PM ON 07/28/09
Aloha Everyone,
I have read through the countless comments made from both sides, watched the videos made by both NASA and the CT's and I have but this to say...
"who Cares?"
Whether we did land on the moon or not is a completely useless argument.
+ IF we did land on the moon... Great, it truly was a breakthrough for mankind and the USA won the original space race. It's sad though that even though our technology has moved forward, we have stepped back from even sending up unmanned probes to explore.
+ IF we didn't land on the moon, it doesn't change much of anything here. It's not like we could have opened a vacation resort there on the moon anyways and even if we had it would have been more boring than anything elese we can imagine.
I think that we have more pressing issues right here and right now... But if you believe that it is or isn't a hoax and you want an argument, then go ahead and waste your energy on it.
It won't change a thing here though.
By Shimarisu at 1:56 PM ON 07/28/09
Aloha Everyone,
I have read through the countless comments made from both sides, watched the videos made by both NASA and the CT's and I have but this to say...
"who Cares?"
Whether we did land on the moon or not is a completely useless argument.
+ IF we did land on the moon... Great, it truly was a breakthrough for mankind and the USA won the original space race. It's sad though that even though our technology has moved forward, we have stepped back from even sending up unmanned probes to explore.
+ IF we didn't land on the moon, it doesn't change much of anything here. It's not like we could have opened a vacation resort there on the moon anyways and even if we had it would have been more boring than anything elese we can imagine.
I think that we have more pressing issues right here and right now... But if you believe that it is or isn't a hoax and you want an argument, then go ahead and waste your energy on it.
It won't change a thing here though.
By Alien Being at 11:30 AM ON 07/29/09
You Humans are all alike. You bicker over an event that happened but since most of you earth bound carbon based fools could not see it with your own sensory devices you claim it never happened. Meanwhile we have stripped the abandoned craft of all valuable minerals and are heading back to the mother ship to plan our raid on your planet.
By tcm13 at 5:53 AM ON 07/30/09
If NASA didn't go to the Moon don't you think the Russians would have known. Their tech was as advanced as the US at that time and they were only a short time from landing on the Moon their selves. A hoax would have been tailor made for the Russians in the Cold War. Secrets are hard to keep; a hoax of that proportion, the number of people involved, the easiest conclusion is a Moon landing.
By Martin at 9:31 AM ON 07/30/09
¡Bestial! Awesome!
Take that conspiration theory guys!
By aliens at 11:45 AM ON 07/30/09
OK.... all you who BELIEVE... we landed on the MOON.... look close and long enough at the pictures and you will see ELVIS... THATS RIGHT NASA TOOK ELVIS TO THE MOON!
By aliens at 12:07 PM ON 07/30/09
ALL of you who Believe that we landed on the moon...... STOP drinking the cool-aid the Government is giving you.40 YEARS since we went to the moon, COME ON PEOPLE, capitalism would not allow for there NOT to be a freakn Starbucks or McDonalds on every street corner. Get your head put your a$% and think a bit. WHY HASNT ANOTHER "SPACEMAN" brought back some pictures with his Nikon he bought at Walmart??? Forget Hublle and satellites.....what about ANOTHER "TRIP TO THE MOON" but with people in it... you know everyday people... people NOT payed by the government , People not with lvl 6 security clearnces. Hate to bring this up , BUT if you remember USA tried to send a TEACHER , a regular person up in "SPACE", but that flight didnt make it, hmmmmmm. Dont think for one minute the Government wouldnt sacrifice people to protect secrets. WAKE UP !
By Silencia Dogooder at 9:04 AM ON 07/31/09
Don't try to backpeddle and skew and make excuses now in some in vain attempt to recover from your epic fail, 'Peeps'. You obviously do not know what you are talking about. These are 1-meter or near 1-meter, which is why you (supposedly) can see something. I know and knew the LROC has three cameras, which you apparently did not. And, it has NOTHING to do with the distance. They are talking final resolution, not relative resolution. You are talking out of your ass. (probably due to your life long study on how to be a successful rectal ventriloquist -- old habits die hard)
By kentuckyranger at 12:25 AM ON 08/01/09
It's 2009 and this is the best NASA can do?
They had better resolution Cameras in the 60s, I want a refund!
As for conspiracy no, we didn't go to the Moon the first time, we had to fake it to be the first.
The first real attempt was Apollo 13 and it almost killed the Astronauts.
All the rest where real missions.
You had to be there at the time.
We where in the middle of a cold war with Russia and they already made us look stupid by being the first at everything that had to do with Space flight.
We had to kick their Butts at the big one, landing on the Moon or the USA's morale would have been in the Toilet, it wasn't far from that anyway at the time.
So yes, the first Landing was staged as was the second because of lag in getting it all right.
The reason the second landing was faked is because while testing on the Launch Pad there was a horrid Fire that killed all the Astronauts and the mission had to be scrubbed and staged to keep the USA's confidence in NASA up.
We may have not gone the first 2 times but we did eventually make it.
By Anonymous at 6:52 AM ON 08/03/09
bad pics
By PeepsMcJuggs at 9:52 AM ON 08/03/09
Oh my Lord, you effing moron. Silencia, did you even READ the press statements from NASA? "The satellite reached lunar orbit June 23 and captured the Apollo sites between July 11 and 15. Though it had been expected that LRO would be able to resolve the remnants of the Apollo mission, these first images came before the spacecraft reached its final mapping orbit. Future LROC images from these sites will have two to three times greater resolution."
Hence NOT 1 meter resolution. I'm not backpeddling squat. Every bit of data I have provided is from NASA, not some wikipedia page you pulled out of your ass.
By squirrl at 12:37 AM ON 08/04/09
Vary rarely do I speak so listen.
The reason:
A long time ago all man had was his brain. He knew how to compute square roots manually. He could saw and move multi-ton stone cubes.
He could write poetry upon a stone wall.
Then a computer was created to make the job easier. Automation soon came and man became lazy forgetting the painful ways of computation, masonry, and poetry .
It's easy to see how we have forgotten the sheer magnificence of feats required of the moon landings. How mathematicians built the star-ships without a pentium iv and no dell computer, no autocad, not even a mouse.
Is not the proof in our children? Barely able to score high enough on a math test to be elevated to the next grade.
By squirrl at 12:41 AM ON 08/04/09
A long time ago all man had was his brain. He knew how to compute square roots manually. He could saw and move multi-ton stone cubes.
He could write poetry upon a stone wall.
Then a computer was created to make the job easier. Automation soon came and man became lazy forgetting the painful ways of computation, masonry, and poetry .
It's easy to see how we have forgotten the sheer magnificence of feats required of the moon landings. How mathematicians built the star-ships without a pentium iv and no dell computer, no autocad, not even a mouse.
Is not the proof in our children? Barely able to score high enough on a math test to be elevated to the next grade.
By saulo at 12:13 AM ON 10/12/09
The conspiracy adepts have very low Intelligence Quotient.
By baylinerking at 12:45 PM ON 10/14/09
I don't know what is going on here but there is still a lot of things being hidden from the general public.
I say this because NASA even said they were going to use the Hubble Telescope to do something last week and YOU KNOW the Hubble can see a fricking freckle on an elephants ass. So...why are we not seeing these photos? Why can't the Hubble just swing around and take some pictures of the Apollo Landing Sites? Come on here we're not stupid. Let's have it. jerks
baylinerking:
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