Ah yes, well... it's that 50k+ store that makes the difference.

Compared with all else, the iPhone is really a small computer that happens to be a telephone as well.

Sweet! i got to get me one of those things!!

I think the Samsung Omnia HD or whatever has an 8 megapixle camera and not 5.

2 words.

Windows Mobile.

The iPhone (at least for now) is still king. No single phone is going to change that anytime soon. You're delusional if you think otherwise.

Personally i would rather stick with Android the Windows Mobile, Apple, or RIM. Widows Mobile is a memory hog, Apple just is a pain, and RIM on the new Storm crashed a lot. Goolge is gaining ground and i dont see them stopping anytime soon.

I had the first Omnia and took it back as it os was too clumsy, this one would need a major improvement just to compete. Funny how everyone says almost or just as nice as an iphone. I think after trying everything Verizon has to offer I'm going to get one.

I can honestly say there are less than 20 apps I use on the iPhone and pretty much every phone has them now.

Basically they installed a vending machine in your pocket and somehow this is a good thing because it is Apple.

Humm... Will eat the iPhone for lunch? I don't think so. After looking more closely at this phone... it just looks like the same old, Windows based, hard to use, clunky, old cell phone to me. Resolution... awesome! Higher res camera... awesome! Windows Mobile... CRAP!

Sorry Windows users and lovers.

My iPhone 3G was stolen, and I looked at all the phones once again on the market... and I bought the new Phone 3G S.

> Compared with all else, the iPhone is really a small computer that happens to be a telephone as well.

Except that I can use any OS I want on my computer.
And I don't have to have a contract with AT&T to use my computer.
And I don't have to throw away my computer and buy a new one when I want more storage space. And my computer didn't cost $700.

And and and...

"Best of all, the Omnia II has Verizon as a cellphone provider, which is not going to cripple it as much as AT&T does the iPhone."

In what galaxy? What Verizon phones has Charlie White used?

The iPhone is crippled because APPLE controls the hardware. It's just as crippled in Europe as it is in the States. AT&T has some input, I'm sure. But it's hardly the source.

Verizon, on the other hand, has a long history of crippling basic functions on its phones, from blocking GPS in its phones to crippling the software to eliminate functions VZW wants people to buy. The last Verizon phone I owned had the ability to transfer files from the microSD card disabled, even though it was a feature advertised by the manufacturer.

Throw the iPhone OS & UI on this puppy and it will take over!

Let's face it, it all boils down to the OS & UI on any smartphone. Apple's just got it right (for now)

Android is the linux of mobiles.... UI just isn't quite there

I have the Samsung behold which uses the same touchwiz OS that this phone appears to use and all I can say is touchwiz sucks!!!! Don't buy a phone with touchwiz as an OS it is severly limited and is nothing more than a feature phone.

"And and and..."

And does all that double as a camera, telephone, and music player that plays movies, and accesses the internet from anywhere, but also fits in your pocket?

I'd never throw away an iPhone. I'd sell it, use it as an iPod touch with a camera, or keep it as a backup incase my 3GS was lost or destroyed. Weak argument.

"...can record HD video..."

errr... no it can't.
much as i love this phone, and may get it. it can do DVD-like 480P (720*480) at 30FPS camcorder videos.

"Best of all, the Omnia II has Verizon as a cellphone provider, which is not going to cripple it as much as AT&T does the iPhone."

Clarification, please.

Whats with all the poeple that think Apple is the best on the planet when Windows is the one running our planet LOL I have never heard of SQL on an Apple anything!! I think this phone would be sweet but i cannot rate it without using it first. Peace!

So, you are saying because the iphone has a 50,000 title app store and the omnia doesnt the iphone is better?

what about the 1000s of winmo apps, freeware and other software that can be installed on the omnia.

apps store for iphone

handandgo or pocketpcfreeware for omnia.

almost every app offered through the iphones appstore is also available on the omnia in either a freeware or pay version. usually the omnia apps are much better than the iphone apps.

take shotgun vs shootme for example.

so, omnia does everthing iphone does, plus much more, and has better apps.

the only way the iphone tops the omnia is that by default its easier to use and find apps for the iphone out of the box. spend 10 minutes on google and install spbms3 on the omnia and then that problem is solved.

unfortunately you did the same thing most commenters do, you wrote before you did all your research.

people think apple is the best thing since buttered bread because it is easy out of the box. it is true apple is just as good or just as bad as windows depending on how you look at it and how you use it.

whats good about the omnia is hardwarewise it can do 10x the iphone 3gs. if you dont like winmo interface, you can spend 10 bucks on a iphone like interface for the omnia. all problems solved. now you have 10x better hardware and the iphone menuing everyone craves.

@ iPhone 3G Works!
anything windows = crap

go ubuntu!!! bring on the linux revolution!!!
seriously though, linux should make a phone OS... it'd be quite awesome

The app store is the killer of all contenders - Apple have a lead above all others.
Interesting really because I think Apple lost to MS in the original PC wars because MS made a better platform for developers; now the tables are turned!

Please!!! A Windows Mobile device of any kind up-staging the iPhone? lol! lol! lol!

For those asking about crippling the phone, take a look at the slingbox web site. Slingbox released a client for the iPhone and AT&T has limited its use to only work on WiFi.

I'd love to get an iPhone but won't switch from Verizon. I had AT&T service before and would rather not have a phone than switch over to them.

I think the android phones have a lot of promise, however they have made the same mistake that the iPhone did initially, they did not (fully) license ActiveSync from Microsoft to allow sync with Exchange servers. Without that a phone can't go mainstream for business.

The latest versions of Windows Mobile have proven to be reliable. There are 3rd party apps to make it behave and navigate like an iPhone for people who favor the iPhone interface. I think this phone will be a good one to have and can't wait to replace mine.

iPhone 3GS can't even compete at O2's level. What's new with 3MPCam, no VCALL, non-A2DP. You know what "S" means in iPhone's name? "S" simply means SUCKS!!!!

When is someone going to make a phone that can plug into a docking station and use a full keyboard, mouse and monitor?
Basically a true portable computer that you can take with you, with the convenience to do light computing at home.

if it can do video to video calls then excellent as my current 2 yr old SAMSUNG does VID to VID calls with all the opther bells an whistles otherwise, to me it's just another phone to sell.
I cannot understand wh the US does not have VIDEO to VIDEO calling or has that changed as we in New Zealnad and a high percentage of the world do unless you have caught up!?

if it can do video to video calls then excellent as my current 2 yr old SAMSUNG does VID to VID calls with all the opther bells an whistles otherwise, to me it's just another phone to sell.
I cannot understand why the US does not have VIDEO to VIDEO calling or has that changed as we in New Zealnad and a high percentage of the world do!?

>>> seriously though, linux should make a phone OS... it'd be quite awesome

Try Google Android - it's Linux based.

The hardware looks nice, but as has been widely expressed here, Windows Mobile sucks.

An Android version of this might very well give the iPhone a fight worth watching.

@nzjade: You compare the capabilities of your system, which serves less than 5 million people nationwide to the US system that has over 8 million people in a single city? vid2vid tasks the system a lot more plus we have a lot more people on that system.

Personally, I don't see any value to vid2vid calling anyway.

I like how this one has more buttons then the iPhone does :) i mean, not only does it have a menu button but also the start and end call buttons!!!!! I'm totally serious btw. I'm horrified of the iPhone and breaking it that i'm seriously considering getting one this lady's older brother or sister ^^

AGAIN- this is a great phone, but this phone is just a King to Apple's Iphone. a Queen. Samsung does have an ACE however, THE MEMOIR. EIGHT mp camera/camcorder, an excellent touch screen on the flip side. I have one and OMG!!! It is the best phone I have ever seen! The Memoir should be the phone to SLAM DUNK the Iphone, and SHATTER the backboard in the process.

I have the Moto ZN5 and it is Linux based if I'm not mistaken. I love the phone and it is very capable. It does slow down sometimes though and it becomes annoying when you text and the phone balks for seconds ata a time

50K little iphone apps, as compared to how many 10's of thousands of Windows Mobile apps/games/etc (100's are completely free)? Not to mention the compass built in, which the Iphone doesn't.

to everyone complaining about how this phone is using windows mobile and how it's not as good as iPhone:

you can't slander windows mobile when iTouch and iPhone software also have a hell of a lot of problems.

the OS on the itouch and iphone have given me a LOT of trouble. they always freeze and crash, and all the basic apps, including music, take up so much of the devices small amount of RAM. in fact, i have to return them all the time because they break themselves over hardware and software problems. and besides that, it doesn't even have flash player.

itouch/iphone OS can't be much worse than windows mobile.

I have the Omnia.. to be honest, it not user friendly at ALL! Its too slow, clunky, and freezes a lot. The touch screen is very bad and the programs sometimes get stuck. You have to restart the phone often. Sometimes, even have to remove the battery for it to restart! At least the iphone is very user friendly and very fast. I mean, even typing a small text message in the OMnia takes a long time, and this with using the stylus! Forget about using your fingures for the Omnia. OK, Omnia has many features, applications.. blah blah blah.. but COME ON! Its too SLOW, too CLUNKY, too UNPREDICATBLE! I REGRET buying this phone! Looked good on paper, but was nasty in real life. Im thinking of buying the iphone 3GS. Keep in mind i paid almost $1,000 for the stupid Omnia.

It does not record in HD, you rae thinking about Omnia HD

To Ateekster -- Umm...you have the Omnia - this is the Omnia II...and II means 2, which means it's better, faster and bigger screen with advanced resistive touch screen! You guys should find out all the Specs before saying it's no good just because you've been hypnotized by the iPhone hype...iPhone is all hype, Omnia II (i8000) is all Awesomeness!!

As for the guy that said he doesn't like TouchWiz, this is the new and improved TouchWiz 2.0 UI, which looks fantastic and you don't even notice that you're using a WinMo based phone.

>2 words.

>Windows Mobile.

>The iPhone (at least for now) is still king. No single phone is going to change that anytime soon. You're delusional if you think otherwise.

Seriously? ....the iPhone is great , but it's nothing like a mini computer. Yes they have a ton of apps, but try running more than one at a time. The iPhone OS does not support multitasking in any way. The much older WinMo 6.1 supports multitasking, something that the newly released OS3 doesn't (pitiful if you ask me). The Omnia II is better in nearly every way than the iPhone. Not only the OS but better hardware (AMOLED screen, 5MP camera, etc).

To 'Stealth' "
Seriously? ....the iPhone is great , but it's nothing like a mini computer. Yes they have a ton of apps, but try running more than one at a time. The iPhone OS does not support multitasking in any way. The much older WinMo 6.1 supports multitasking, something that the newly released OS3 doesn't (pitiful if you ask me). The Omnia II is better in nearly every way than the iPhone. Not only the OS but better hardware (AMOLED screen, 5MP camera, etc)."

Okay so what do you classify as multitasking? getting the warning about 'please close an application to free user memory' every 2 minutes?

Multitasking is simply doing more things at once and im pretty sure the IPHONE can play music, surf the web and text at once without having to turn the other off. So if you're seriously going to say 'it doesn't support multitasking in anyway' im pretty sure they thought bout this and thats why theyve incorporated such a smart multitasking OS that even people wouldn't realise its multitasking n find it easy n WAY LESS frustrating then WinMo.

Also, different companies put their ADDON to the WinMo which simply just justifies my point that on its own WinMo is complete rubbish. It is powerful but people hardly give a damn about that and most apps that are going to require proper hardware acceleration are gaming 3d apps, which well the WinMo is very VERY limited to (besides gimmiks rather than ACTUAL functional and well-known games). Also, compare the time WinMo has been out for and Mac-OS for Iphone. Iphone has achieved its great user-friendly, powerful ENOUGH Iphone in its pretty much first try (obviously little updates to ensure bug fixes, functionality improvement etc) but WinMo is in its near 7th OS and STILL sucks.

I dnno but right now, its about UI/GUI, and design as well as Quality. and Iphone provides all that plus more

And if your going to worry about 5mp vs 3 on the iphone, your probli a person that wont just by a phone for a camera and probli purchase a stand alone camera if ur that picky.

Correct me if im wrong but Iphone is probably the best phone and considering the sales, of Apple (although LG and SAMSUNG have beat it), Apple is selling ONE phone which is quite EXPENSIVE, where as the LG and SAMSUNG phones sales count over 100 phones which include $100 phones too. No comparison there

Plain and simple....iphone has issues, winmo phone has issues.

iphone, your stuck with the issues.

winmo phone, you can customize it and make it relativily issue free.

if you don't like the winmo interface (which sucks....lets be honest) you can change it. install a shell like ms3, or manilla, or iphonz theme, or winterface.

omnia II has better hardware, more customization, more apps, but you have to spend some time with it.

iphone has hype, popularity, and is easier to use upfront with no customization.

my point of view, pointless to compare if its not an apple to apple comparism. winmo user will always feel that winmo is better and iphone user will feel that iphone is better.

Iphons 3GS vs Omnia II:
CPU:
Omnia II spec is better due to its 800MHZ processor while Iphone is running on 600MHZ.

UI:
Iphone 3GS is definately better as its not laggy therefore the games and apps is also more fanciful somemore with the mutli-touch screen.

Others:
Omnia II which is winmo allows user to use their favourite cooked rom while iphone at the most is jailbreak and not use customized rom.

actually there are other comparism like video calls, expansion slot,camera etc....
too much comparism but all these is really meaningless..

Why is it that hardly any smartphone 3g phone has a wriststrap security attachment
loop,whan the phones cost so much ???,cheaper mobiles have them .

Okay lets put apples to apples. apple claims to be a smartphone, palm pioneered the smartphone and fell off the grid. Windows which is on most PCs of today have given you a PC device in the palm of your hand. So lets compare:

Iphone has the app store and smoothness and that's it.

WM6.1(outdated) has been re-skinned by different manufacturers e.g. (htc and samsung) to give the user friendliness but yet not loose the functionality.

If you compare look and feel of the phone design then you compare manufacturers but if you want to look at functionality then you compare software, and I sorry guys but WM6.1 (outdated remember) kills iphone. yes not as user friendly as iphone, but once learned is the best software to use.

Now that I have said this think about it. If you just want a phone to make calls and play music then choose iphone, but if you are like me both work and play in mind then please don't stray towards fame and popularity and get the real champion of all OSs WM.

Note: WM6.5 is still yet to come and our grand daddy of all WM7 next year. Iphone shall never have the market share that Windows has until it opens up it doors full and stop being a control freak.

Thanks,

There's only two things Iphone has small advantages in over the Omnia 2:

The Omnia 2 is very slightly less smooth, and the application store.

But seriously, Iphone is in every other aspect something from the previous generation of phones. The Omnia 2 represents the new generation, significantly better in every which way.

Forget you Winmob biases. The new processor power and the heavily overhauled UI make the Omnia possibly the only truly casual-user friendly Winmob phone in existence today.

And finally. The Omnia 2 has the style of the phone of an adult, rather than the kid-friendly cutesy symmetrically round corners of the Iphone. That's not something to ignore.

I have a palm centro and I have used the iphone extensively. I would take the centro over the iphone any day. The iphone is basically the best because everyone is told it is the best. Band Wagon is the term.

I am jettisoning the Samsung for an Iphone. Not impressed at all

>>"Best of all, the Omnia II has Verizon as a cellphone provider, which is not going to cripple it as much as AT&T does the iPhone."

Really? Verizon, the king (or is it Queen?) of "crippling" technologies -from plan old telephony, to DSL, to Wireless- is better than AT&T? In what dumb & clueless world do you live in?

I have both the omnia II and iphone 3GS. frankly speaking omnia II interface is alot inferior compared to the iphone 3GS. as iphone 3GS has multi touch screen, the games and apps seems to be much more better when compared to winmo apps and games.
according to ojs,"hardwarewise it can do 10x the iphone 3gs." not sure how you come out with the 10x. =)
from what i know if you compared the processor speed:
Well the new iphone 3GS is said to be clock-for-clock 2x as powerful as old architecture such as in the origional iphone and in our omnias. ZODTTDS findings with his emulators show a 3 fold increase in performance, which is in keeping the 2x clock-for-clock info.
i.e. Iphone 3G 400 Mhz (old architecture)
Iphone 3GS 600 Mhz x 2 = 1200 Mhz equivalent (3x that of the original and 2x our omnias)
I don't really know much about the new GPU, exept that its about 2/3 x the power of the old one!
Also, the new Omnia Pro/2 use the old architecture at 800 Mhz with a similar GPU(maybe same?) GPU as in the original iphone 3G
other than that, omnia II is better in the camera and the 480 x 800 pixels , 3.7 inches screen while iphone 3GS is only 320 x 480 pixels, 3.5 inches
maybe the wifi is also better than iphone 3GS but if you surf using a mobile phone, i dont think you can really feel the difference...=)

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i used to love apple, mainly because of all the reviews and compare sites (like this one) said it was so much better than the pc. i always found the apples very expencive, so i never bought one. but now i'm working in an office with only apple computers, and i must say that apple sucks big time. i never encountered so much trouble with any windows pc, and i lost confidence in apple all together... and i'm not even mentionning the way they exploit just about everything they can. i mean, is there such a thing as a free thing at all at apple? i'm sure glad apple doesn't rule the world, or we would pay to farth. i have a ipod 80gb and i don't like it at all. it has no cross-fading, no volume control, no (real working) equalizer, it jumps very often to the next song before the current song is finished, the os is very clumsy and time consuming, and it can't even make a playlist. so i mainly use it as a (very expencive) hard-drive. and from what i read here, the iphone is exactly the same crap... if you don't spend an extra stack of money, you'll just have a very expencive mobile phone. everything that makes the iphone special has to be bought extra... typical apple-style. so, no iphone for me for as long as apple keeps his "push-to-buy" policy.

well... samsung omnia II is a lot better than iphone if you try to compare it... you can do same stuff as with iphone in omnia plus a lot more since iphone is a "closed system"... it's kinda 'selfish' because iphone wants everything exclusive... stuffs are really great like the features, flash, camera, etc... like me, i told myself that no one can outstand iphone... but this time, i think this one does! for those who are denying, it's pretty a normal psychological reaction to denial since its the first defense mechanism of a person to defend the ego. but later on, you'll see...

I have the Omina and I think it's 10 times better than the Iphone. It has windows moble, powerpoint, excel, Onenote mobile, Smart Reader, and a ton of other programs and the best part the storage memory is great. I bought an additional memory card and I have yet to use it. The bluetooth and camera are also soooo amazing. A ton of friends have the Iphone and have said that my phone is pretty sick!

the iphone 3gs is great but the Omnia II with spb mobile shell running ontop of WM 6.1/6.5 will be awesome.

The biggest joke of device... what's the point of the big screen and all the (slow responsiveness) touch features and built-in applications... I bought convinced it would be better than my previous HTC Touch Pro... guess what ... hangs & crashes every day left and right by any reason; and the biggest joke of all is that there's no reset button available from the outside of the case (must open it, and remove/reinsert the battery, and wait 2-3 minutes for starting up)... couldn't believe after all the "fantastic" reviews from all Shops

well i wud surely say that omni i 8000 thousand is a beast which can eat i phone 3gs for lunch and for the record so much for the i phone store because samsung has launched its own application store plus in addition to samsing application store microsoft has launched microsoft marketplave (application store from microfosoft) and yeh not to mention thousands of win mo applications that u can download from the net.
omnia comes with 16 gb internal memory and supports 32 gb card i phone does not even comes near as far as memory is concerned.
Camera is much much better than i phone.
multimedia capacity is better than i phone.
plus touch wiz user interface along with windows makes it awesome to use this phone.
well alot more to say but gave u guys a few pointers so omnia 2 rocks and iphone sucks

I have an omia 2 and i am returning it for an iphone.

omnia 2 touch screen sucks. the resolution and size is amazing.
it is also horrible for browsing webpages (doesnt have multi-touch)
windows mobile is dreadfully slow

oh ya and samsung omnia comes with this gay lipstick tube looking stylus that is sharp hard tip not a soft rubber tip so it scratched my screen. I used it gently

youtube videos look like $H#! on this phone for some reason

Just got rid if my iPhone and got the Omnia II. I've had an iPhone since it came out, and I am happy to have the Omnia II. It can do EVERYTHING my iPhone did, and it does one great thing my iPhone couldn't do. KEEP A SIGNAL! The iPhone was a great handheld device. But a horrible cell phone. I travel all over the US on a regular basis, and lost calls all the time.

Keep in mind this is coming from an Apple user. I use a MacBook Pro and a G5 at home.

Time to get off the iPhone guys. It sucks as a PHONE!

@cant-believe: You're a j@ck@$$. The reason your phone MAY hang (if it hung up at all) would be that you had a ton of tasks open and running, obviously creating a bottle-neck. Basically, the same bottle-neck that cuts off the oxygen to the pea-sized object you refer to as your BRAIN....your MORON!

@Tommy: You're on CRACK!! Where the hell did you get this info from? "iPhone 3GS 600 MHz x 2 = 1200 MHz equivalent". You must be on some serious drugs. The iPhone 3Gs is running on a 600MHz processor. Far slower than the Omnia. AND, it has been clocked by several independent sources and they've all come up with the same results. And I also have the luxury of owning each of these 2 phones. The iPhone will be getting handed over to a buddy of mine since it is clearly a less superior phone....PERIOD!

omnia is a beautiful and powerful phone. but windows mobile sucks. dreadfully slow and unresponsive at times. make a better os someone. as i mac and apple hater you got to admit iphone is very simple fast and has the best touch screen and is the most responsive.

unbiased i have used both phones
screen resolution:
omnia wins
screen brightness
omnia wins
battery life:
omnia wins
processor:
omnia wins
apps:
iphone wins
operating system
iphone wins

overall winner: i pick iphone.
why? cause it has the best operating system
simple and fast.
windows mobile slow and laggy.

Ok so I have had many winmo phones and hacked, customized, and flashed them all, but, they were still slow clunky, laggy, phones. I sold my last winmo phone (HTC Fuze) and bought a G1 android phone which I still have. I also have a scratched up, banged up old Iphone 3g which I use now and then. After much begging to my other half, I dropped quite a bit of money on the Omnia II. I thought, as I did many times in the past with various winmo phones that it's got a faster processor, maybe windows mobile will run better now. As every time in the past, I was disappointed. The Omnia II is still slow and laggy, even with this processor. Don't get me wrong, it is much faster and seems to be more stable than my Fuze was, but it still hangs now and then, and on numerous occasions I've had to reboot to get out of a hangup. The touchscreen is...OK, but not on par with the Iphone and maybe a notch below the G1. All I can say is, it's nice for a winmo phone, but it's still just a winmo phone. An Android version might be nice though. Windows mobile is just to resource hungry in any form to run smoothly, even stripped down.

Omnia II is powerful. Apple 3GS isn't. If you want a phone with 3 MP and no slots for additional memory well then you are settling for something less. The only difference if the amount of apps the iphone has. Are you really going to use 50,000 apps on your phone at the same time. I didn't think so.

apps, camera, gps...blah, blah, blah...These things should be PHONES first...what's the use in buying one if I can't hear the person I'm talking to??
I'm not spending hundreds of dollars for something that's going to sound like two tin cans and a peice of string!
Can anyone out there tell me what the call reliability and sound quality are like??