Is it really considered "failure" if it's not in the "curriculum" (That was a lame analogy)

Considering most of the 'apps' I see are same thing I see done in flash.. I an sure they aren't in big hurry

There may be many flash sites out there right now, but what happens when HTML 5 starts taking hold. If I were going to develop something, I would probably not do the flash.

I am not against having a stripped down OS, it might be help in some ways, some company maybe like BlackBerry forinstance could take Android (Instead of their own OS, which seems OK but not-so-good-as), put in on their phones with a more enterprise geared mail/calendar/other apps, therefore adding real value to their customers.

Yes those carriers who make rubbish software map put their naff stuff on them, but , does Android have package management like Linux distro's to make getting it off!

Actually, it's all just a flash in the pan.

Android only runs Flash Lite (something already running on other smartphones), not the full Flash engine used on desktops which means Android won't be compatible with half the Flash content out there on the web.

Have you actually seen Flash running on a smartphone? It is terrible.

It'll probably be enough to play back all those annoying, bandwidth sucking, memory filling, battery draining, processor hogging Flash ads though. Excellent! ;-)

-Mart

The reason why Adobe bought proprietary Flash was for web video and nothing else, but HTML5 will be a non-proprietary alternative. Flash has become a bandwidth and attention wasting horror on the web on a full PC, let alone on a cellphone, and I'm glad it's not on iPhone.

Adobe is following MS on the embrace - extend - smother proprietary software monopoly business plan. Google and Apple are at war with them to ensure internet content is not embedded in proprietary containers. I hope they win.

We may see Flash on iPhone eventually - but first Safari will be extracting the embedded video from Flash content and playing it without a license from Adobe.

Actually, @mart, HTC Hero runs Adobe Flash Player 10 Full-spec.

@NWGREGG

Actually Android does not run the full Flash 10 Player. It does not support Actionscript 3.0 the Flash scripting language introduced way back in 2006.

http://mobile.itwire.com/content/view/25898/1231

-Mart

No Flash = iPhone hardware issue? You're kidding, right?

Flash isn't on the iPhone because the man in the mock turtleneck decided his users don't need it. It's a money issue, of course. Giving iPhone users access to free Flash games might be detrimental to Cupertino's App store business model.

That's how Apple works. You want the best phone on the planet? -- shut up, drink the kool-aid, and listen to what your fearless leader tells you is best for you.

The iPhone will get Flash eventually....because competition in the mobile marketplace will ultimately push them to loosen their fascist controls. The Pre, and the incredible push Android will make in the next 6-12 months will play a great role in that.

I'm sure many people want to see flash content on their phones, but if their phone ends up running at a snails pace, then I'm sure waiting is preferable.

Flash is great on laptops and computers, but on something as small as a phone, even an iPhone, I don't see as a reason to claim "triumph" over apple. The reason the iPhone is so popular is the interface and ease of use, not the "new" cut and paste features or faster web. It's everything together at your fingertips with little or no effort on your part to use them.

Before iPhone, no other phone seemed interested in combining all these features or making them as user friendly as they are now.

Like Apple or don't like Apple. The iPhone is still on top for a reason and it's not the logo or "Flash".

No smartphone in existence runs the full-spec Flash, only the lite variant, a new version of which is emerging or has just emerged for many platforms. And yes, Flash would allow iPhone app development outside of the Apple App Store.

However, given the painful history of Adobe and its developers' dealings with Apple in the past, it will be no surprise if Hell freezes over before Apple allows Flash onto their platform - there would have to be very compelling economic reasons for that to happen.

HTML5's plans for non-proprietary embedded video as standard mean that this possibility is receding all the time.

Really if flash were available on the iPhone, the first thing I would to is figure out how to turn it off. There is no need for it in apps, other then lazy developers, and I can live without flash for web content. Especially when most of the things down with flash can be done lighter weight with javascript and AJAX.

Though it is true that there is a lot of flash based video content out there. Possibly the worst possible use of flash imaginable. Why not do embedded AVI's instead. Cross platform, and they can run through standard video codecs. Instead of the wasteful energy/memory expensive flash.

The only "advantage" flash has is that it run's on the clients machine but is not readable by the client. Personally this is not an "advantage" that I want to see.

Martin Hill,
Adobe are bringing out fully functioning Flash 10 for android by the end of the year.

Apps = $'s
Flash = Free Apps
Flash = No $'s for Apple

What's so hard to figure out.

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Flash 10 is coming to Palm Pre also. Palm is even help fund the project. I love open-ness of the android phones, I just wish they had a more sleek form factor out.

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