What about BSG versus the Odyssey from SG:1/SG:Atlantis?

??? Matter-Antimatter reactions are far more powerful than nuclear reactions. Essentially a nearly 1:1 conversion of matter to energy. There is simply no comparison between a classic nuke and an A-M bomb. You were WAY off there!!

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This oughta put Enterprise ahead (not there's any bias...)

I vote for the Tardis...

shouldn't we be talking about the original BSG stuff, or the new Trek gear? This is not great comparison IMHO since we're really talking about the comparative imaginations of the show contributers here... sorry to rain dude.

This is pathetic, the author either likes galactica more and or is a complete tard about anything remotely technological. Nukes and kinetic weapons do not have ANY effect on star fleet shields. None at all, why do you think no one uses them in star trek? The galactica would explode from one torpedo. Star Trek shuttles are not fragile, they just seem like they must be shitty because of how terrible their special effects were on, they couldn't really do any good space battles. Simply put a viper couldn't do squat to a shuttle, not even out fly it. I mean for crying out loud, with the enterprise's sensors and warp 3 capable torpedoes they could obliterate galactica from the next solar system. This entire article is pure idiocy, just seems like a sci-fi channel sponsored bump for galactica just in time for BSG's premiere.

The Tardis could win but why would it. It would be much more interesting to watch the fight from inside the Enterprise.

It appears Kevin Hall's knowledge of Star Trek is limited.

Don't get me wrong. I'm a much bigger fan of BSG but in an Enterprise vs Galatica battle, Galatica would probably never even get a single hit on the Enterprise with it shields up much less down.

That's because the Enterprise would be attacking at warp speed and the Galactica would never even see it before it was obliterated.

Remember the Enterprise does not need to drop out of warp to fire on the Galactica. Only phasers or photons work at warp speed and I forget which but either would be all that's required to decimate the Galactica. And since all the weapons of Galactica move at sub light speed even if Galactica blindy fired in the direction of Enterprise they would just move out of the way.

Even if the Enterprise's warp engines were down, its impulse engines fire up at up to 99% of light speed and even then Galactica's slow moving weapons would never approach or hit Enterprise.

Even if Enterprise's warp drive were down and it's impulse engines were working at the same speed as Galactica's, it's shields would easily repel kinetic energy weapons (toys in the Star Trek world) and even nukes (I recall once or twice a near exploding nuke causing only minor damage). And while photons and transporters don't work through shields, phasers do. And the Enterprise's phasers can lay waste to the entire surface of a planet so the Galactica would be hamburger in a matter of minutes without ever having the chance to penetrate the Enterprise's shields.

I think the confusion hear comes from all the Star Trek episodes when ships of inferior technology (like Galactic) surprise attacked the Enterprise knocking out their shields and warp drive. Or when a ship with equal or superior weaponry hammered at the Enterprise.

That being said it's not really fair to compare a 23rd century technology from a vast federation of planets (just the earth colonies of star trek alone outnumber the 12 colonies much less the non earth planets of the federation) to a late 21st century technology of 12 human colonies.

In truth the Enterprise along could easily (barring all the moral qualms they have about killing) wipe out the entire original colonial and cylon fleets and still have time for a night cap on ten forward. Where they would all discuss the moral ramifications of what they had to do!

If this was Star Wars, the Death Star would kill either of these in one shot.

If antimatter even exists and is more than just a theory, the extreme measures it would take to harness it without it blowing up would be extremely difficult if not impossible. Antimatter is massively unstable and in launching and anti-matter warhead, you could just blow your self up.

As for shields, shields would be made out of electro-magnetic fields and would be excellent protection against energy weapons but would serve little to no protection against kinetic energy weapons and there payloads of dense matter. It would be like putting a needle through skin. Come on guys we must think rational. Star Trek tech is not logical.

Hmm... yes, the Enterprise's shields should just as well be left down... They wouldn't need anything more than their navigational deflectors to handle Galactica.

@Aanomis

Antimatter does exist, CERN has successfully created antihydrogen. As for your other points, this type of discussion becomes completely, instead of mostly, pointless if your argument is just to dismiss the technology of one side because it is not possible with current technology.

Sell outs. You only said Galactica would win because you are owned by Sci-Fi channel.

Not only is Trek's technology literally light years ahead of Galactica's, but when you bring in the human factor... Kirk and Spock would tear Galactica a new one. Maybe you should redo this and have them go against the whole Cylon fleet or something more even.

Ok, I'm going to expose my inner geekness...

There's an obvious bias toward BG, as well as a glaring ingorance of ST. What did you watch as a kid? Sports? Go wash your jock!

DRADIS beating ST sensors? Really? DRADIS can see large objects in space, while ST sensors can identify life forms, energy sources, weapons, even the material ships are composed of, which would be critical for making combat decisions. Yes, DRADIS is more along with today's technology. Hello! Fiction!

The shields in ST would beat out the BG hands down. Unlike armor, shields can be recharged. Even if it took a long time to do so, it would be less time than replacing armor. Oh, and the shields can repel both energy weapons AND kinetic projectiles. How do you think they go through space without micrometeorites sandblasting the hull? And yes, the Enterprise has had, if memory serves, a nuclear weapon detonated at 100 meters, and STILL won the fight. Flak cannons are only good for small, unarmored fighters and missles, and would be worthless against a capital ship.

As for weapons, bullets run out, energy doesn't. Yes, the Enterprise has a limited amount of energy, but it's friggin antimatter, which makes nukes look like spitwads. The Enterprise had several ounces of it, and 1/2 ounce (again, if memory serves) was enough to destroy a good chunk of a planet.

What you failed to mention about propulsion and defense is mass. Sure, the BG has it's important guts deep inside the armored ship, but it's also big, slow, and massive. The Enterprise is much smaller (crew of 400 vs. roughly 2000), lighter, and, uh, less massiver, which means anything the BG throws at it can be evaded, while the Enterprise can run in, throw down some hurt, and be gone before the BG crew knew what was going on. This is especially true as the Enterprise can travel FTL and still navigate, at a moment's notice, while the BG needs time to 'spin up the FTL' drive.

Just to add another kick in the pants, while ST was filmed in the 60's, they actually had a science adviser helping out. This is called Hard Science Fiction, which means that, while the technology doesn't exist, there is theory that, in time, makes it's developement a possibility. By all means, don't believe me, pick up yor cell phone and call your friends to look at this and laugh. ;-)

BG, to my knowledge, has no science adviser, and this goes double for the first series. Yes, their 'technology' appears much more likely, but this is all Fiction, which means we're playing fast and loose with reality anyway.

Scientists have already observed anti particles (although not fully formed anti matter) and many cosmologists believe the universe began as equal parts of matter and anti matter (but they are trying to figure out where the anti half went). So it's not unreasonable to think anti matter exists and could be used as a weapon in the future.

It seems arrogant and ridiculous to pretend we could predict what future technology might exist so far in the future.

That being said we're not discussing 20th century science. We're discussing science fiction television so let's have some fun with it (science fiction isn't real science it only uses science to conjecture about future possibilities not liklihoods).

And the same applies to Star Trek shields. How can today's limited electromagnetic technology be used in a comparison to a shield (which may or may not be electromagnetic) that suppose to be in use two to three centuries from now.

And if you really want to pooh pooh Star Trek technology I would focus on the transporter which is by far the most unlikely technology to ever exist (at least in its Star Trek form).

@Aanomis and Rampantgnome:
Not only does antimatter exist, but it is used quite frequently in medicine. ever heard of PET? Positron Emission Tomography? positrons are the antimatter equivalents of electrons.

Also, the Galactica would most likely use guerilla tactics to take out the Enterprise rather than risk heavy casualties. and if they can take out the main weapons and warp drives quickly enough, the Enterprise doesn't stand a chance.

as a matter of fact they have now found the missing half of the universe's missing normal matter in the spaces between galaxies.
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/080520-intergalactic-medium.html

Saying that nukes which are fission based weapons are more powerful then anti-matter weapons is akin to saying that a 18th century Napoleon gun is more powerful then say "Attomic Annie" which was an American 18" field gun that fired 18kt Nukes (Same yield as that used to destroy Nagasaki).

But hey, they have to plug BSG some way prior to the season starting, so cut these guys some slack. Works better then some annoying banner at the top of the page that no one ever looks at.

Of course the Galactica wins. The enterprise has it in every way, but DVICE is owned by Sci Fi which airs Galactica. Who do you think would win?

So, as felipe058 said. They should have to consider the kind of battle too.

Face-to-face? ST would beat BG as a fly...

Otherwise? Humm let's say that if everyone at ST brige were sleeping AT SAME time and didn't notice something comming out at sensors and moving towards them... or maybe if they use their FTL to surprise and the ppl at ST bridge were too high (=P) to raise their shields...

I think BG would do a lot more damage using diplomacy, but then, would be dispute between Kirk vs Adama (and I personally think Adama would win since he haves more experience and Kirk sometimes sounds a lil naive).

I know I'm going to piss-off all of you Trekkies out there, but I agree that Galactica would win. Because the Raptors are capable of making jumps, they could board Enterprise and take out its weapons and shields before Galactica even entered the fight. And if you really want to get hypothetical, they could always retrofit the Raptors with nuclear weapons, and destroy Enterprise while Galactica is in another solar system.

Finally, there was one very important factor they left out: the Commanders of the ships. Adama is a far more experienced and battle-hardened commander than Kirk. While Kirk fights for his crew, Adama is fighting for the survival of the human race, and is willing to die for that cause. So, who do you think would be more motivated to win?

Don't get me wrong, I am a big Star Trek, but I just think Galatica would win this fight.

Let's put the all the previous arguments aside for a minute. Let's assume that the "facts" used to come to your conclusions are legit, and move on.

The real issue is why you're comparing the Enterprise to the Galactica. Albeit that the Enterprise is the "flagship", wouldn't it be much more of a "fair fight" comparing the Galactica to a ship in the same class? Say something like the Defiant?

From the looks of it, the Enterprise was setup to fail.

You know. I was thinking, it would be more reasonable put SG:Atlantis' Dedalus against Enterprise, maybe Andromeda(at bottom of basket) vs Galactica... not sure.

Everyone points to the same, the fight of Entreprise vs Galactia wouldn't a fight between two machines, but a fight between commanders, tactics, strategy. The surprise factor is quite decisive. Even tho, I still think the Enterprise sensor would warn as soon as the raptors come in and then they would raise their shields.

i vote the galactica...i'd much rather have that ship at my side during a war than enterprise, which is nice in a prissy sort of way. enterprise may be technically superior, but the galactica has heart.

also, sci fi shows (or used to) the original star trek so i think they win no matter what the outcome of this contest.

GALACTICA!

Because I hate the shit out of Star Trek.

do not ignore the transporter.

if it came down to a life of death battle...the enterprise could beam photon torpedos, or a simple nuke into the galactica, as soon as the galactica came into range.

-no shields...no chance.

sorry galactica...you're toast.

not a fair fight, actually.

I think DVICE is completely biased towards BSG. Photon torpedoes are more powerful than nukes... Also, what good would point defense cannons be against a phaser?

ST would stomp BSG. you have to look at speed, and technology. the BSG's weapons would never be able to reach the ST crew due to the fact they can travel so much faster. BSG might as well be standing still in comparison.

Now a fair fight for ST would be an Asgard ship, and actually it wouldn't be fair because they are war ships vs ST having an exploration ship. also the Asgard have over 10,000 years of development in their ships and fought a war with Replicators forcing them to have strong shields. also they have similar weapons to ST but more effective, and if its the Dedalus piloted from Earth they have the F203's making them have a fleet to fight with. so that would be unfair.

but ST would totally crush BSG

*found an error its F302 not F203 sorry.*

Enterprise would win. Why, probably because the crew of the Galactica is so fraked up that they can barely work together without constantly fraking or shooting a commanding officer or holding a mutiny or some other such crap. That aside all the Enterprise has to do is beam a photon torpedo into a critical section of the shield-less Galactica and press the button and its all over. Too bad the guy who thought up this little fiction didn't think of that.

The primary theoretical advantage of such a weapon is that antimatter and matter collisons convert 100% of mass into energy while comparatively a fusion reaction in a hydrogen bomb is on the order of 0.7%.

cuz i like to quote wikipedia =D

Stick the galactica up against the enterprise e, run galactica run...

You could have made it a fairer fight were it a contest between Galactica and a 22nd century freighter like the Carolina or Woden. And it still wouldn't be a contest.
ow about Adama vs: Archer?

I'm a Galactica Fan.

However, (just to add my 2cents), i think star trek would win, cause, some one will remember that they can reverse the polarity of the inductment field, to create a resonance of reality that would overpower the gelationess of the

Before you know it, all the BSG crew explode from the stupidity of dues ex machina. ST wins.

Just found this cool comparison chart :)

http://izlin.free.fr/eve/images/compilation.jpg

Yeah the facts dont sit well with this. Ignoring all the "cool things one can do that the other cant". No decent argument was made that photo torpedoes are not as good or better than or equal to nukes. The lowest number i found on a Photon Torpedo's max yield with a quick bit of research was a 60+ Megaton Explosion. Now the nukes in battlestar are pretty big but are close to what we have now... Well so far the biggest thing detonated on Earth was a 50 Megaton explosion.

Even if they were using things twice that powerful they don't seem to be strong enough to go against the Enterprise, what with their being able to take multiple photon torpedoes to their shields and the shields dont go down.

Then we look at your choice in comparing scanning to DRADIS? You describe the two like this "Scanning seems to be able to do impossible stuff providing accuracy down to crew data and tactical data." "Dradis is easy to read and works like modern radar". And you say DRADIS wins? Funny stuff.

And then comparing fighter crafts to transport ships? You even said it yourself - but you want to compare them anyways? The enterprise has no need for fighter craft. Phasers are so accurate and can be swiped across an area they can hit even tiny craft- and we all know a Viper cant stand up to a blast as strong as that.

It really is not a match in my eyes, and having seen five star trek series and all the movies, as well as most of the original BSG and the new BSG, the Enterprise wins hands down. It's like setting up a Sumo wrestler against a Muay Thai kick boxer for crying out loud!! Galactica is just a big slow lump of metal. All of it's weapons are sub-light, and the vipers are sub-light as well. Sure Glactica could put up a flack barrier between itself and the Enterprise, and send out vipers, but the Enterprise can easily fly around to the other side and kick Galactica in the fracking nads with a volley of photon torpedoes and phaser fire before DRADIS even knows they have moved. Oh you say that Galactica would launch nukes? and just how is a rocket propelled sub-light bomb going to hit a Constitution-class starship doing FTL evasive maneuvers like a kick boxer on crack? Enterprise's phasers are precise and deadly to unshielded craft, vipers would not even get close enough to fire a shot even if they were fast enough to catch up and Glactica's guns would be blasted off her hull in no time. The enterprise would use it's superior sensors to find out where Glacticas power core is and blast a hole right through it, or if J.T.Kirk was feeling risqué, he could just beam a boarding party aboard Glactica, mine the core and beam out with out firing a shot, giving him more time to work yeoman Rand out of that cute little miniskirt of hers.

Of course BSG won - did everyone read this little snippet:
(disclosure: The SCI FI Channel, DVICE's owner, broadcasts BSG)

That would be why it was the ORIGINAL Star Trek vs the NEW Battle Star Galactica. And why there were so few comparison points.

Enterprise can so pawn BG in a fight! The ships are from distant technological era its like comparing Machine Guns, Bombs, Tanks, with knifes and bow & arrows. On the defensive a ship with no shield and a ship with shield theres just no chance for BG. Also comparing Raptors and shuttles, shuttles are equipped with shields, phasers, transporters, impulse engine, any of that is way ahead of a Raptor. For god sake they can just beam the Raptor pilot into space from miles away dont even need to fire phasers.

Also in regards to SGA Dedalus against BG Dedalus will win, Dedalus is equipped with Asgard weaponry (super strong laser beam that can obliterate BG in one shot) and another important thing: SHIELDS !! Daedalus has it and BG dont !
BTW Dedalus also have transporter technology they can just beam a nuke into BG. Theyve done it so many times in SGA against Wraith ships, Replicators etc.

Hello, Boys and Girls! I´m a fan of both series (and, pardon me,someone with lots of physic knowledge)! When I read this comments, I see the Trekkies (fanwankers) strike again!

Be real: Star Trek always picks the technical raisins out of the dough, weaknesses fall under the table. e.g. Antimatter, anybody with at least some knowledge about the topic knows that a simple Fusionreactor is MORE effective and save!(If you don´t believe me, take some state-of-the-art physics books and read it)

Nukes and Torpedos: Even with our techbase we could build Nukes with 150+ Mt destructive power, we just chose not to.

Shields: The technological edge of ST shields is maintained with plot shields. Even space fairy tale Star Wars is nearer to real science when it comes to shields! The Gauss cannons of BSG are a real threat for ST. The described ST shields are wonderful against energy weapons, but (in real science) they are like wet paper against heavy kinetic energy. (Trekkies, before you flame me: as much as I like ST, the writers bend physics as much other scifi universes, sometimes they outright spew trully false physics)

Phasers: ST exaggerates the destructive power awefully high. And dont get me started on things like focus/focal point! As a prof.(and still ST fan) I know once said: The UFP is lucky to never have encountered halfway real science!

Galactica wins because most of its tech is sound on physics, whereas much of STs tech edge is selfhugging, with just enough true physics to suspence disbelief.

This one is a lot tougher than SW vs ST as Star Trek has fantasy based tech that is made up on the fly, while Battlestar is grounded in reality. The enterprise would annihilate the galatica as it's fictional armaments are god like.

This is like comparing superman vs. batman, of course the guy who can reverse time is going to win, but the better character is one based (loosely on reality)

Moron.

A shadow vessel vs the enterprise A
Result: Shadows win.
Why: perfect cloaking device and energy beam
*uses cloak to sneak behind the enterprise, cuts enterprise right below the saucer section* ownd.
even if you bring the shields into it, the beam will overload the power system, then no shields and any fan can tell you how the hull would fare.

as for ST vs BG: BG
Why: sheer firepower.

a matter/antimatter reaction is the most efficient release of energy known to science. Nukes are no match for photon torpedos, pound for pound. One strike on an unsheilded Galactica would most likely destroy the entire ship. Also, the transporters could be used to strike the bridge crew, viper/raptor pilots, and engineers into the vacuum of space before they could react. Add to that precision transporter boarding parties and the enterprise would clearly win nearly every convievable engagement.

Couldn't kinetic energy be reversed back on the Galactica with a tractor beam? and their nukes for that matter?

Enterprise transports a time delayed photon torpedo to Galactica's bridge because they have no shields.

Game over.

They forgot the most important thing. The Sixes. Once old Kirk gets his eyes on a six its game over man.

Who would win?

Captain James T. Kirk

Nuff said.

To add to the Galactica's woes in such a battle, Enterprise could just transport the Galactica's crew out in space

Ent vs. BSG: (in response to some statements above)
Shields - ST shields from any era are very good at repelling energy weapons, so-so at deflecting kinetic energy weapons (not quite the wet paper defense mentioned above). I remember Spock, Riker and Data all stating that "'alien race of the week's' lasers and nuclear tipped missiles were useless against our shields." Against bombardment by actual physical objects energy shields will overload after a time. The more objects and the larger and/or more massive the objects, the faster the shields will fail. Shielded ST ships avoid blitzing through asteroid fields or ramming other ships for this reason. The accumulated physical mass of a heavy flak barrage by Galactica would take out Ent's shields swiftly. If Galactica were lucky enough to catch Ent with a shot from the main forward guns, Ent's shields would likely shred just like they would if Ent rammed into a good sized asteroid, or another ship. Both of these attacks would only be successful if Ent stayed in one spot long enough to accept said barrage. Ent's speed and maneuverability advantage would counter any loss in shield power.
As to BSG FTL as a combat weapon? FTL jumps are calculated to one spot in space (space/time?) thus it would be impossible for a Raptor to jump into the shield envelop a ST ship while that ST ship was in motion through space.

when it comes to what the crews would do, that is subjective due to the human factor. with a comparison like this, it's more accurate to stick with the technology. a human could be having a bad day. but tech, u can rely on their hard statistics to make an accurate analysis. not to say that strategic decisions wouldn't make or break a battle. but often in history, it's come down to battle technology that wins the battle.

also, doing something like this, pitting two franchises against each other even though ur just trying to compare technology, will ignite some responses like "well u and BG are owned by SCIFI" and strong feelings on both sides. there are a few people who are arguing it seems unbiased. but fandom is such a part of conscious thought, it can be incredibly hard to fight bias. not impossible, but harder then it might seem. and come on!! do we REALLY need to bring true science into this. this is some fans having fun. we're not trying to write future text books. of course it's not real science. we dont care. we're just play around. and people call US uptight.

Kevin, I want to thank you for this story. It got so many people thinking about something fun, which is what it's all about, being fiction. The thing I hate is all those people who aren't having fun thinking, blasting you and each other on the basis of what? Truth in fiction??? Isn't that like Jumbo Shrimp? Saying this or that "wouldn't work in the real world" It's fiction, not a real world. I've been a Trekkie since it was on NBC opposite Laugh In, I have collected, dressed up and hung starships from my Christmas Tree. What is ruining Star Trek? It's not the 10 movies, the 4 series or the new prequel, it's the fools that read the word fiction and then try to make it science. Let's just have fun with fiction. We have enough truth "in the real world"

Thanks again

From 1980 to 1995, a measurable fraction of Usenet traffic consisted of "versus" threads. It appears the debate has moved, but its quality has not changed. Each generation must rediscover the fundamental obstacles to usefully debating such contests:

Problem 1: Why are the hero ships fighting? If you beamed Grand Moff Tarkin and some Imperials aboard the _Enterprise_, and Ba'al with some Jaffa to the _Galactica_, and gave them each 30 minutes with an operations manual, this versus-scenario might ensue.

Problem 2: What's the quality of the evidence? As Homer Simpson once scoffed, "You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true," and Trek is so infamously inconsistent you can pick any facts you want.

Resorting to real-world physics is no help for the BSG partisans. No conceivable drive system, antimatter or otherwise, could make a lump like the _Galactica_ move as shown. And let those who live in tylium houses not throw dilithium stones.

Problem 3: As previously noted, the key is the crew, not their technology. The BSG team have faced exactly one enemy, whereas the TOS crew are accustomed to meeting a new adversary most every week. If the challenge is, "What are our respective capabilities, and how do they compare?" I'll bet on Kirk and Spock every time.

and

Problem 4: What have space warships to do with personal technology? They're not announced at CES or sold at Radio Shack, and if an intrepid Maker posts a full-size working model to Instructables, he deserves to conquer the planet. Is this another sign of SCI FI WIRE's tilt towards poorly-researched opinion pieces?

To quote "Invader Zim's" Dib during arena combat to reach Professor Membrane's live show: "What does ANY OF THIS have to do with SCIENCE?"

Dear Luis Arana: You are right and wrong at the same time. AM is the most efficent energy release known, BUT THE USABLE ENERGY OUTPUT IS MUCH LOWER. An annoyingly high amount of released energy just goes "puff" as radiation and light.

Nukes are a match for Photon torpedoes! You can build nuclear weapons with comparable or higher destructive potential. A PT has "officially" 64MT. You can, if you want to (even with our tech), build Nukes with 150+ MT.
Oh, as an aside: Both Galactica and Pegasus survived multiple Nuke hits!
The transporters are fantasy! Nothing more! Even if the transporters were possible, the beaming of a photon torpedo is rubbish (one of my pet peeves in Voyager) The moment you beam a PT, you break the magnetic seal on the warhead! Not good for your own ship!
I had to laugh when I saw the tractor beam question: Gauss (or Railgun) cannon shells come in at very high sublight speed. Even a near miss has killing power, because of e=mc²! Even if Trekkies dont want to see it. A Battlestar gauss cannon broadside matches an Enterprise beam weapon broadside! The delievery system is different, but the power is comparable! You can see it in physics books!

This comparison was hilariously incompetent. Old sci-fi fans have been doing match-ups like these since Star Wars became the first franchise to come close to challenging Star Trek on a technical level.

Arguments about the 'hardness' of the science aside - both ST and BSG in their classic and next-gen releases exhibit fantasy technology and battle theatrics - the Enterprise would win easily. It wouldn't even be a fair fight. Kirk in the big 'E' would use its superior speed, agility, weaponry, sensors, systems integration, and well-coordinated crew to hit the Galactica in its most vulnerable areas quickly and fatally before Adama and crew would be able to respond, if at all. Game over.

Even considering the need to have 'good' humans fight against other 'good' humans in this challenge, match-ups like this are always fun. :-)

I vote for the Enterprise.

Ok, Dvice has "jumped the shark" with this head-to-head. Author doesn't appear to have a good understanding of either series. Dude, leave it to the real nerds.

I know I am going to sound like a uber geek. But I have heard a lot on here about weapons, shields and all kinds of other stuff but has any one taken in account size?

I found this on the web: http://www.people.iup.edu/pnwm/comparison.gif

They have the old Battlestar Galactica on it I would think the new one would be about the same size… soooo

BSG: 1265 meters
ST: 305 meters

BSG is huge compared to ST

Lobo95- but why would ST crew even get hit? they are way faster? in a fight speed creates the advantage. if someone is faster they can accomplish more sooner. so in the time it takes for BSG to damages ST, ST could have done significantly more damage to BSG. also if things were to look bad they could simply run and come back before BSG had time to react. i might give BSG the win if they were firing standing still due to BSG's natural battle advantages. Also, stop using real physics to say why things would happen since both shows dont use real physics. beaming a PT is possible for ST therefore we must say it would work overall irregardless to its ability to work in our realm of knowledge.

so is BSG and ST have equal damaging weapons ST would still win because they are faster and have more useful tech. they would be able to see BSG before BSG could see them thus allowing them to have the upper hand. also with the lack of shields they would be taking more direct damage vs ST taking indirect damage until they had no shields. Also the amount of battle knowledge and overall knowledge would be an issue. ST has had more time to accumulate knowledge. They are smarter in every sense of the word, and if they arent in an area they have the ability to learn what BSG knows and it doesnt work in reverse or else BSG would have similar things to ST.

Speed is not all. The Galactica could surprise the E, jump behind, all turrets blazing. The G can survive without shields, the E is toast.
About the torpedos: AM is volatile and unstable and has to be "fixed" in a "magnetic bottle". The moment you break the seal,BUMM! And beaming (break something down to its atoms for transport) definitly breaks the seal. There is and there will be no way to keep stable during transport via beaming.
The difference is: BSG tech is mostly rooted in "hard" science. As I said before, e.g. the gauss/railguns of the Big G might lack coolness factor, but their heavy real firepower in undeniable!
Trek tech has fantasy elements nearly everywhere, the IR-dooropeners aside. :-)
And I wouldnt count so much on the tactical knowledge of ST, because their enemies are notoriously inept. Von Clausewitz would die laughing about Trek when it comes to strategy!

Speed make a big difference. also the sensors on the Enterprise would detect the BSG ship before they could really get a jump on them. also they can do circles around BSG while still assaulting the BSG ship. a faster more maneuverable ship vs a larger slower ship and both have high destructive force the faster ship will win. also BSG cant take to many hits due to its lack of shields, it will fair better then ST without shields but they do have shields and thats what matters.

also, they are in their own realm of physics, therefore what doesnt work here works there. so the argument the a PT couldnt be beamed doesnt work. you can support it with all the physics you want but it means nothing. i do grasp the physics of it but it doesnt really matter in this battle.

Well, regarding speed: You are right, that maneuverability helps exspecially in close quarters.But the Galactica can jump on the E. The BSG FTL is really good! According to some astronoms, the 12 Colonies are at least 10.000 Ly. away! Most say around 16.000 Ly. But lets take the 10.000, for example. They needed 3.5 years of flighttime (the 1.5 years New Caprica included!). Pretty impressive 2 years netto, considering the "Voyager" as one of the fastest ships of the UFP, would need a decade of (not sustainable) max. warp for the same cruise! In addition, the Galactica might even be "faster", because they did not know where Earth was first and had to search nearly blind.And since BSG needs to roughly know where they are jumping to, their astronomic sensor suite cant be so bad either.

wow .come on now! the galactica beating the enterprise? no way .Even though this argumEnt is pretty pointless since IT'S FICTION! jUST LOOKING AT THE TECHNICAL SPECS OF BOTH SHIPS (AND YES THEY ARE ALL OVER THE NET) THE ENTERPRISE 'S WEAPONS,SHIELDS,POWER GENERATION,SPEED ARE WAY FURTHEWR ADVANCED THAN THE GALACTICA BY FAR.nuke's unless inside the ship probably would do little.and as far as vipers vs' shuttles...hello mcfly! fighters vs' basically taxis' ?Real fair comparison.enterprise in the 1st round ,about 6 seconds in .

I believe that Star Trek wins because Star Trek fights at light speed or greater. Battlestar Galactica does not. This is not even a contest.

God would totally win against BSG and Enterprise. Even Jesus would win against those two.

vorlons and shadows
nuff said

For my fello nerds, geeks and sci-fi nuts, here's an excellent ST/BSG crossover fanfic (centered on Lt. Geata as a Starfleet officer lost down a wormhole) with lots of discussion/comparison of Trek and Colonial technology. No I didn't write it, but it's really well done.
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3396972/1/Going_Native

No I say we talk about our lord and savior Jesus Christ.

You didn't compare the 2 crews. BSG's crew would fight to the death for their survival using any means possible, including illegal ones. The ST crew might hesitate when trying to decide to "do the right thing". That hesitation will kill them.

I think you guys did a better job at this than the late Sci-Fi Smackdown podcast (RiP)! Although it would always seem that the Enterprise would have won.

The only thing that isn't lost here is the author's virginity. Move out of the basement!

Also we can't forget about that one technique Enterprise has with it's transporter. As we have seen in an episode of Voyager and countless times with the wraith on Stargate Atlantis any ship with shields and a transporter can beam weapons directly onto an enemy vessel and set them to detonate seconds after materialization. As we all know Spock, Kirk, or one of the various crew members are undoubted to think of simply beaming a photon torpedo directly into Galactica and watching it explode from the inside out.

Clearly the Enterprise could beam a torpedo into the BSG command center and end things pretty quick.

But such a thing would be a violation of the Prime Directive. Damn this circle of logic!

Sorry Kevin, the would be winner is any Constitution Class Starship over any Battlestar. The re-imagined BSG is a poor shadow of Glen's original conception. The new producers seem to suffer from lack of imagination or the writers from lack of any scientific knowledge. But BSG was always meant to be "Dark" as opposed to Star Trek's message of hope for something better.
Continent-ripping ship's Phasers any day over kinetic energy railguns. Matter-Antimatter reaction is by definition more powerful than nuclear. Long Range Sensors are better than BSG's crude sensors. I once proposed at SCIFI.com that the BSG jumps out of hyperspace followed by the Cylon fleet only to be met by the 11 Constitution Class Federation Starships of 2266...NOT EVEN CLOSE...Starships by a mile. It gets even worse if they jump out of hyperspace only to be met by the entire Federation Fleet of 24th century waiting for the Borg…hundreds of starships against the Cylons??? HA!

First off... Does anyone remember the Earth war with the romulans... they used nukes. Nukes are old tech to the star trek universe. Now take a photo that is way more powerful. ... just saying

they are both real good shows iam baffald

Even if galactica blows up the Enterprise it will lose in a few seconds when the blast of the warp core hits it.

Seriously, you think the yield on a "Nuke" (presumably Fusion or Fission) exceeds the yield on a Matter / Anit matter reaction?

I think someone needs a quick check on physics!

Here's why I think that ST wins over BSG. We know that Adama can hold his own in a fist fight, but he doesn't have in his arsenal what Kirk has, and that's the dropkick!!!

Don't get me wrong, I like BSG a lot since most of its technical fiction is somewhat believable... but I don't think a Battlestar has any defense against the Enterprise teleporting one or more live photon torpedoes directly inside CIC. I mean, why bother to fight the body when you can kill the brain?

How about Galactica vs Star Destroyer?

Much more interesting comparison. Multiple fighters on each side, relatively slow capital ships with lots of short ranged weapons.

Jump a raptor inside Enterprise's shields.
Detonate nuke.
Win.

... and to add to me previous comment: What happens when the Enterprise teleports Adama and the rest of the CIC into space, followed by teleporting all the viper and raptor pilots into space?

Why would they have to beam photon torpedoes into the Galactica? Just lock-on to the CIC staff and beam them out into space...

In space, no one can hear you scream....

This is stupid, Star trek is obvius 100-300 years ahed of BSG. Startrek would cruch BSG in everything.

It is just as stupid like humans would have anny chance against an invading alian force for example, Mars atack, inwepends day and all other Shi-Fi movies with simular theme.

"Missed it by that much..."

It just dawned on me that this whole thing is silly, in the ST universe they wouldn't fight BSG unless attacked, and in the BSG universe they are trying to get to earth which is home base for ST (Sorta). Both SciFi universes would more than likely get along rather well...

Just to set the record straight .If you watched the pilot of BSG you would have seen that Galactica does have shields because it stopped a cyclon nuke that was fired at it.

To put aside the fanboi drivel;
#1: Masers would be superior, as the intense heat/radiation based damage would most likely slice up the BSG like a hot knife through butter. The inherent flaw of kinetic weapons is that they travel at slower-than-light speeds, and thus can be avoided easily. The BSG would suffers several misses against the Enterprise while it danced around the BSG and cut it into Ribbons
>>>Point: Enterprise.

#2: Given a possible reality of photon torps being possible, they would definitely be far superior than traditional nuclear weapons. The science has already proven this. Traditional nuclear weapons are in reality very weak.
>Point: Enterprise.

#3: Sensors on the Enterprise were never really fully explained. Unless you delve into a lot of the extensive background information, on the show and movies they were just described as non-descript "sensors". But the accuracy to which the crew could dientify lifeforms, weaponry, shield status, etc. etc. etc. leaves the BSG's more 21st century dradis radar system in the dust. The Enterprise could identify the exact crew size of the BSG, including possible weapon capabilities. The only caveat is that the Enterprise sensors could only identify known signatures. given that the 23rd century was very likely devoid of many of the technology present on the BSG, the Enterprise could misinterpret the kinetic weapon arrays and lack of shield systems to that of an unarmed merchant vessel. It's also likely that the mission of the Enterprise to explore, moreso than defend or attack, would lead it to accept the assumption of an unarmed vessel, allowing the BSG to make a surprise strike with it's entire payload.
since both ships would be mostly guessing on each other's capability, I'd say it's up in the air who has the real advantage against the other with sensor equipment.
>Point: TIE

#4: Fighter class ships would tear up Enterprise shuttles. The shuttles would be far more agile, but it's unlikely their agility could defeat the numerous fighters of the BSG. The most shuttles I've seen available to the Enterprise was maybe 10. Though I'm not an expert, I believe the BSG's fighter complement would take em.
>Point: BSG

#5: Engines- Enterprise is far faster and far more agile. If they needed to gain distance from the BSG or to strafe, the BSG couldn't keep up. But given the point about possible sensor misinterpretation, the Enterprise would most likely be operating in a slow cruising mode until the BSG striked.
>Point: Enterprise

#6: The transporters are definitely more advanced, but because the Enterprise's shields would have to be down, this makes it far more vulnerable to attack from the kinetic weapons of the BSG. The point will go to the Enterprise only because teleportation is far more surprising for a boarding party than physical entrance.
>Point: Enterprise

#7: The BSG is tough. The Enterprise is fragile. Given how many times I've seen other ships slam, board, etc. the Enterprise and how often debris and other physical masses have passed through the Enterprises shield defenses, I would say that the nature of the shield systems actually have little to no effect on kinetic sources. The kinetic weaponry of the BSG would be mostly free to molest the fragile Enterprise. While the Enterprise's masers would definitely take their toll on the BSG, the point-defense anti-projectile defenses of the BSG would stop any serious contender in the form of photon torps.
Shields are more advanced, but the point-defense system is more effective against the Enterprise's photon torps.
>Point: BSG

The Enterprise is more advanced, for sure, but given the overall picture in context of the two series, the BSG is a warship. The crew of the BSG are soldiers. The BSG is designed for combat.
The Enterprise, while a warship in its own right, is not crewed entirely by soldiers... the purpose of the ship was exploration and diplomacy. Given the antiuity of the BSG (compared to 23rd century ships) it's likely that Kirk would first attempt communication under the assumption the ship was possibly defenseless or derilict.
The BSG would most likely get the first shot in, which if the Enterprise's shields are ineffective against kinetic weapons, the Enterprise would be in trouble.
--The Enterprise would suffer severe damage before the BSG was disabled if the Enterprise could react fast enough to avoid the incredible firepower from the BSG. The Enterprise's firepower is actualy rather limited... it isn't bristling with guns, it has the single "phaser" bank and 2 torpedo launchers that are ever used in the scenes I've seen. Given that all of the background says it's more heavily armed, we never got to see the capability of the ship and thus have little to compare actual performance to against the BSG which has taken on entire fleets of Cylons.

Plus, the Enterprise is sadly inadequate when taking into account the BSG's capacity for fighters/boarding vessels on top of it's railgun arrays and missile launchers.

Face it, while the above comparison is inaccurate, the BSG is a dedicated warship... the Enterprise is an exploration vessel that they fitted weapons to "just in case".

I grew up watching Star Trek, but the BSG is one tough muther.

This is retarded, Galactica's weapons wouldn't dent the Enterprise's shields. It'd be like that episode where everyone lost their memory and the Enterprise was laying waste to a whole civilization- no contest.

Unicron shows up, Devours the Deathstar. and picks his teeth with the Enterprise, then has the Galactic for desert.

Dumb.

This writer has never seen either show.

Bias? What bias? Hmmm, maybe just a bit (the author already admitted BSG is broadcast on SciFi Channel).

If the Enterprise just sat there like a big log (hmmm, which one resembles a big fat log), sure Galactica could wipe her out. IF. She. Just. Sat. There.

Oh, and the sensors on the Enterprise don't make much sense??? And FTL does? Shields do? Jump engines do?

Oh, well. Can't educate the unwilling. But then I sincerely doubt the whole point of this article was to pick one vessel over the other...I "sense" it's more of a way to check our (the fan base) ability to pay attention. Good job, based on the number of responses. Pavlovian (not Pavel) bell response check? ;)

Two obvious things about this bias

1. Arguably one of the crappiest "Starfleet" vessels in Star Trek Lore. Hundreds of years older than recent Star Trek ships.
2. The Battlestar Galactica

Kirk ok we get it, but that was the 60's. Picard is in charge when it comes to a fight.

Don't even talk about Picards Enterprise from the series (Galaxy Class - versus Constitution class)

Bring out the fully loaded Sovereign Class Enterprise from the movies. This thing could throw out 5 *Quantum* torpedoes in a space version of a drive-by shooting and boom even before Galactica's little dinky sonar picked them up.

The Picard Maneuver! - drop out of warp and shove phasers and quantum torpedoes down their throat point blank.

The Galactica wouldn't make a dent. The enterprise took out a Borg cube - I dare the person who wrote this article to look one up.

So we have the USS Enterprise NCC 1701-E versus a slow moving hunk of junk from the 21st century.

Montgomery Scott(Beam me up!) was part of the team of engineers that designed the Enterprise-E.

Twelve phaser arrays (I know it sounds nerdy but picture 12 of those dinky fighter ships being blown up PER volley) The speed the enterprise fires at? 200 ships down in seconds.

Five Torpedo Tubes....

5 Quantum torpedos *ALONE* will blow up the Galactica. No contest.

So from outside the Galactica's range the enterprise could blow that thing to pieces.

Funny article to read, but imagine this thing dances in comparison to the old Enterprise in terms of agility - they most likely wouldn't even get hit.

Then the Halo weapon platforms go off and destroy the enterprise, battlestar, borg cube, death star and Unicron, not to mention nearly every thing else in the galaxy.

I'm not a fanboy of halo, just saying technically speaking.

Since it is the REAL Enterprise captained by Kirk with Spock and the rest of the boys and girls, I have to say Enterprise.

When Kirk is around there is a 95% chance you're coming back from whatever god forsaken mission that you're going on.

Lobo95: " had to laugh when I saw the tractor beam question: Gauss (or Railgun) cannon shells come in at very high sublight speed. Even a near miss has killing power, because of e=mc²!"

Gauss cannons do NO damage if they miss. They are kinetic energy weapons, which mean that they have to actually HIT their target to cause damage. Einstein's equation has nothing to do with it, and your use of it shows that you don't understand its meaning.

As for nukes, even if we assume a 150MT warhead (or hell, make it 200MT seeing as BSG is ahead of us technologically) BSG carries what, 10-12 nukes? At an (unlikely) 200MT that's 2400MT total yield. A nuclear missile probably wouldn't be a difficult target for phasers. A quick google check tells me that the Enterprise carries 200-250 photon torpedoes (depending on the source). Give them a 60MT yield and that's 12000-15000MT total yield.

The Enterprise most likely wouldn't get hit by one of Galactica's nukes, and could overwhelm Galactica's defenses with torpedoes. Even if Galactica managed to target and shoot down 90% of the torpedoes, that's still 20-25 60MT warheads hitting an unshielded hull.

Also, looking at the (yes, I know, CGI) nuke hits in Galactica and comparing them to the scale of the ship itself; it appears that the ship-to-ship nukes used in BSG are a much lower yield than even 60MT. Consider this: the Tsar Bomba 50MT explosion had a fireball with a 2.3km RADIUS, or 4.6km diameter, enough for more than 3 Galacticas end to end. The blast radius was more than 13km, the thermal shock could cause 3rd degree burns at 100km, and the shockwave broke windows at 900km. The explosions in the new series seem to indicate a fireball of about 200 metres in diameter, with a blast diameter slightly larger than Galactica is long, maybe 1500m, meaning a blast radius of about 750m. That sort of blast is consistent with a 20KT weapon, about the same as was dropped on Nagasaki.

I love this thread and the article. "Truth in fiction?" such a brilliant observation. I love both franchises. I tend to agree with others, overall Enterprise's advanced technology trumps the poor OLD Galactica (remember she's way past her bedtime...) But even Galactica and Pegasus would probably be easily defeated. Nukes are useless and I think some people are putting too much stock in the rail guns ability to spray flak. Remember, the Enterprises NAvigational Deflector ALONE deals with debris every second of every inch of space travel. The wildcard here is how the encounter played out. Adama has shown that he'll order an attack far sooner than he will talk. Kirk, although a great commander, does have the "Starfleet Flaw" and was thoroughly trounced by Kahn on Reliant. Think about the death of Enterprise D, one piece of shit Bird of Prey with imaginative Commanders that destroyed the Federation flagship. Also, ALL starfleet vessels are vulnerable to suicide style attacks. Remember the Oddessy? I know many BSG crewmembers that would die on Adama or Cain's order. I suggest some interesting fan fiction!!!!

for one of the absolute best size comparison sites (starships/scifi stuff - what did you think I meant?)...try Jeff Russell's Starships site. There may be a ship or robot or planetoid he missed, but damn if I can think of one. Many from ones I didn't even know and I've been into this stuff since the 60's! ubergeek, so sue me! ;)

http://www.merzo.net/

You lost me at the Nuke vs Photon debate. I hate to even admit to knowing this; but the Federation used to use nukes before they upgraded. Isnt a photon torpedo just an IMPROVED nuke?

What? Enterprise has 2 more centuries of technology on its side. It would wipe BG out!

Nuke scene from From Star Trek The Original Series - Errand of Mercy

Romulan bird of prey vs. Enterprise.

We are beaten.
Can it be true?
The praetor's finest and proudest flagship beaten!
Perhaps we can yet save
your praetor's pride for him.
More debris into the tubes!
Decius, do we have the old-style nuclear warheads aboard?
Yes, but only for self-destruction.
Place one with the debris.
Proximity fuse.
Yes, Commander, at once.
More wreckage across our path.
Cease fire.
Debris on our scanners.
Analysis, quickly.
Same as before.
Except...
one metal-cased object!
Helm, hard over! Phasers, fire point-blank!
Phasers, fire!
Glorious.
Glorious.
Now we go home.
They're at our mercy.
Commander...
I remind you of your duty.
- Captain to sick bay. - McCoy here.
- Casualties? - 22 so far.
Mainly radiation burns from the ship's outer areas.
Could have been much worse, Captain.
Thank you, Doctor.
Report, Mr. Spock?
Nuclear device of some kind, sir.
Our phasers detonated it less than 100 meters away.
- Ship damage? - Mainly overloads and circuit burnouts.
- Weapons status? - We've only the forward phaser room.
- Fully operable, Scotty? - Yes, sir.

Imagine this: Galactica fires her missiles first. Enterprise fires photon torpedoes. Which reaches their target first? Rockets or FTL weapons? No contest. Galactica's crew would never even SEE the torpedoes. Even if the torpedoes payload is only a standard 2,000 pound explosive, a few well placed strikes and Galactica is crippled. And before the missiles reach Enterprise, she warps out, to strike again with more torpedoes. And phasers? Galactica has NO equivalent. Chopped to pieces before her weapons have any effect.

Sorry man the score is Enterprise 1 Galactica 0 every time. Weapons don't matter. Warp and Jump Drive don't matter. Shields and Armor do not matter. its all about the sensor. You mentioned sensors but got it all wrong.

Let me clarify. REAL TIME SENSOR DATA.

Enterprise has it. Galactica does not. Result Galactica will lose every time. I can put a 10 year old in charge of enterprise and galactica would still lose.

This sensor difference it LITERALLY like me Blindfolding you. Putting Ear Plugs in your ears and plugs in your nose and "killing" your sense of touch.

While I am unhindered.

All enterprise has to do is stay 10 light seconds out from galactica. Thats it game over. EVERYTHING galactica see's will be 10 seconds "old" by the time they see it while enterprise can see everything in REAL TIME regardless of the distance.

There is just no way to win with that kind of disadvantage unless enterprise LETS you win.

I LOVE galactica but the comparison is just not valid. even a SHUTTLE CRAFT could defeat galactica if it had enough armament aboard.

Galactical could fire all the nukes it wanted to. In my shuttle craft I will WATCH YOU LOAD them and WATCH you fire them and WATCH as they make there way toward me and I will then just "move my ship" somewhere else.

Same with the vipers. An entire squad of vipers the ENTIRE COMPLIMENT of galactica's vipers can no defeat even a single shuttle craft because they will never ever get remotely close enough to even think about "engaging" the shuttle. I will just wait till you run out of go juice and move in to decimate them.

from 10 light seconds out I will jump to 90% c and fire my phasers. you will have less than 1 seconds notice that I have EVEN MOVED YET.

I will reach you in 11 seconds the SENSOR DATA from your dradis will reach you in 10 seconds.

There is simply no way around that.

Point defense? I zip around to the other side of the galactica fire some torpedoes up your wazoo and zip back around to this side and watch the fun. the torpedo's will impact galactica before the dradis even registers that I ever moved.

The only way to make this remotely fair would be to GIVE galactica superluminal sensors like star trek vessels have.

and even then its going to be touch because you will have slow kinetic weapons and slow ships no transporters no shields etc..

FYI the ONLY reason they never used the transporter as a weapon regularly is because you would have a tough time making a PLOT with such an effective weapon and most of the ships of any threat have SHIELDS.

If you remove enterprises shields you have to remove galactica's armor.

Its just a lose lose for galactica.

NEEEEEERRRRRRDDDDDS!

it's all moot. the new BSG wins. epic story vs. episodic, formulaic slices of dramatic baloney. star trek had its time. good show is good.

Wow so wrong on all those points. You invalidated point 7 with point 5. Point 3, Dradis is just fancy radar. While the Enterprise has that plus so much more. I think Galactica only has the vipers going for it, and Enterprise can fire multiple banks of phasers with precision (as you say in point 1) to pick them out of the sky. Not even a contest.

Hate this damn captcha, BTW.

Antimatter mater explosions are real and antimatter has bean successfully created (thou only a few atoms at a time). It contains 90,000,000,000megajoule per kg energy wheres TNT has 4.2megajoules. That makes a 1 kg bomb equal to a 21428.6Megaton (21.4gigaton) nuclear blast.A 15 Megaton weapon "Castle Bravo" (http://scienceblogs.com/highlyallochthonous/2008/04/Castle_bravo_crater.jpg) left a crater of 6,500 feet (2,000 m) in diameter and 250 feet (75 m) in depth. Most tactile nukes are about 250KT but a 21.4gigaton explosion could take out everything in a 50Mile radius. I detonated in San Francisco everything from Santa Rosa to San Jose would be obliterated and San Francisco Bay would no longer be a bay but part of the sea. BSG could be made out of solid titanium and it would still melt like butter.

How is you figure Adama has more experience than Kirk whose career spanned 3 decades including 3 years on TV 1 in cartoons and 7 movies. Adamas only been around for three years and has already lost the war against the cylons when has Kirk ever lost.

Want to talk about warships? How about Galactica vs. Prometheus (NX-59650)? Unlike the Enterprise, the Prometheus is built for combat; quantum torpedoes, regenerative shields, ablative armor, oh and the Multivector Assault Mode. Galactica may be able to handle a mano-a-mano fight, but what about a fight with three agile ships coming at it from different directions? Two sections could keep its weapons and defenses busy while the third hammers away at it.

Oh and BTW, Starfleet vessels have deflectors as well as shields. Deflectors push small objects out of starship's flight path. Y'know that big, gold dish on the front of the Enterprise? That's the deflector dish. Without deflectors a starship would be turned to swiss cheese at full impulse (.25c) or completely destroyed if it hit something at warp speed. What's to stop kirk, ect. from using that as an additional layer of protection against galactica's projectile weapons?

Transporters > Any ship with no shields.

The only thing that stops the Enterprise from dropping their own nukes [yes, they have nukes in Star Trek] is the inability to transport through shields. The Galactica doesn't have shields. Therefore, either the Enterprise just transports in a number of nukes or 100 or so Marines. I'll take Star Trek phasers vs. BSG projectile weapons.

I seem to recall that in ST, the ships are piloted in three dimensions. In BSG the seem to pilot in two dimensions... That could be a factor, it caused Kahn to get his butt kicked.

I hate getting sucked into these types of discussions, but this article is just too obviously ridiculous, it's pulling my nerd hairs.

Point One: Phasers vs Guns. Phasers are not lasers or masers but instead particle beams consisting of phased fictitious particles called nadions. They make use of a fictitious phenomena called the "rapid nadion effect" during which the "strong nuclear forces are liberated". In other words after being exposed to a strong phaser blast, matter tears itself apart at the subatomic level. That's why when they shoot someone or something with a phaser on maximum the target just become a cloud of benign luminous gas rather then exploding and damaging everything around them/it. On other settings they can heat, cut or vaporize (i.e. explode) matter as well. They can also be set to a wide field, and even the starship based ones can fire on stun. In one episode of TOS, a single man with a hand phaser and a few spare "batteries" disintegrates an entire army, presumably by just swinging it around all day. There are also plenty of examples of phasers cutting through unshielded metal such as that which the Galactica is composed of. The shipboard phasers on the Enterprise would likely destroy the Galactica in one or two volleys as its completely unshielded, unlike the ships in Startrek where the shields and internal structural integrity fields are interfering with the beam.

Point Two: Nukes vs Photon Torpedos. Torpedos are superior in three ways: Speed, Shielding,and Yield. According to the TNG tech manual, P.T.s are propelled by small Warp engines which carry them at +.75C the speed of vessel that fired them. In other words if the ship is sitting still, the torpedo moves at 502,962,472 mph (compared to under 100,000 mph for Galactica's nukes --and that's being generous) . If it's moving at warp 1 the torpedo travels at 1.1735791 × 10^9 mph. This would make it possible for the Enterprise to approach the Galactica at warp 1.1, fire a volley of torpedoes, and obliterate the Galactica before the Galactica even detected them, as the Galactica lacks both FTL sensors and FTL communications abilities. The second issue is Shielding. Torpedoes also have limited shields, which is presumably why they glow and why you rarely see phasers employed defensively to shoot them before impact. These shields would allow the torpedos to destroy Galactica unimpeded. Three, yield. In the Galactica series, they state the specific yield of various nukes. The nukes used by the Cylons to destroy the colonies were in the 50 megaton range (similar to the Tsar Bomba detonated by the USSR) and the ones used ship to ship are in the 20 kiloton-50 kiloton range, similar to WW2 era bombs. TNG ERA photon torpedos posses one kilogram of antimatter and have an estimated yield of about 60 Megatons, more then even the largest cylon nukes. Even if the TOS era torpedoes are half that, they are still 1000 times more powerful then the nuke that crippled Galactica in the miniseries.

Point Three: Sensors vs DRADIS. As you point out, sensors are better. Added to what you mention, sensors can also detect things moving at FTL speeds. Which is important if you are doing an intergalactic "drive by", the strategy involving P.T.s fired at Warp 1.1 I mentioned above.

Point Four: Shuttles vs Vipers. Shuttles have shields, impulse engines (capable of roughly .5c or roughly 335,308,315 mph, compared to a Viper's max speed of ..again being extremely, extremely generous... 100,000 mph) and can be fitted with type 4 phasers (capable of destroying a Viper or Raptor with one shot). A shuttle would just sit there and destroy Raptor after Raptor, though why the Enterprise would even use shuttles in combat is beyond me.

Point Five: Impulse vs Ion, Warp vs FTL. This is the first one that might possibly go to the Galactica! Not for Impulse vs Ion, that probably would come out about even except that Impulse Engines rely on Subspace Fields so they are not limited be relativistic time dilation. Theoretically, Ion Engines can reach very high speeds, but without the Subspace field a ship moving at high sub-light speed is going to find that what seemed like days to them was decades or centuries to the rest of the universe. Anyway, Galactica's FTL drive is interesting in that it does appear faster then Warp speed. Essentially Galactica FTL travel is instantaneous, limited only by the math the navigational computed has to do. It must: point the ship in the right direction, compensate for gravitational interference, and figure out how long to turn the drive on for (probably measured in nanoseconds). The danger of using a drive like that is miscalculating and winding up so far away that you can't find the system (or even Galaxy) that you started in; like the Raptor in the new Webisodes. Compared to this, Warp drive is very slow and very expensive energy wise.

Point Six: Transporters vs Raptors. This is kinda an interesting question. On one hand, the transporter is good because it allows you to move people (and bombs) around with pinpoint precision, on demand. On the other hand it has limited range and during the TOS time period, accuracy (transporting from ship to ship is hard without the cooperation of the target ship's transporter in TOS). Its also hampered by shields. One the other hand FTL is kinda of like a long range transporter, in that its instantaneous over long distances (greater then a light year). FTL is also more compact, it only requires a Raptor whereas a transporter in TOS requires a Starship. If the Enterprise and The Galactica were put in a situation where they had to race to get a landing party onto a planet 1 light year away, Galactica and its Raptor would beat the Enterprise hands down. On the other hand the Enterprise can beam boarding parties or bombs (probably not Torpedos, I don't think they could beam antimatter yet in TOS) aboard the Galactica. A Raptor can't jump aboard the Enterprise as matter (and probably shields) in the way of a jump interferes with it.

Point Seven: Shields vs PDS. Shields win hands down. Shields can deflect anything, even sometimes light (which is specifically what Cloaking Shields do, which the Enterprise was even equipped with during the Enterprise Incident). PDS systems would do nothing to phasers, and do nothing to torpedos.

Also, just as much of the energy released in these types of reactions is lost in light, heat and neutrinos, much of the energy liberated by fission or fusion is lost as heat and light as well. So, as the energy yield of an A-M reaction is higher to start with, you end up with more energy in the end.
About beaming warheads, as the technology behind the transporters is never completely explained, who are we to say that they would violate the magnetic bottle? In my (limited) understanding all the molecular information is converted to energy and digitized so there is, infact no matter or antimatter per se to react during beaming. But again, this only a hypothesis based on the limited knowledge I have gained from far too much time in front of the Tv ;) If the authors tell us it works then we have to assume it does...

Sheilds: The whole point of these initially was to deflect debris in space which would cause (MAJOR) damage because of their KINETIC energy resulting from the extremely high speed relative to the ship (they were born from the deflector technology as we learned in the newest ST installment, Enterprise). Infact, since the ship is (most likely) traveling faster than light, the relative amount of energy possessed by this debris is INFINITE (this is actually why FTL travel isnt possible w/o some sort of space-time bending mechanism). Thus, the shields should be able to deflect an INFINITE amount of kinetic energy, regardless of how they function.

Opps, this part actually goes at the begining of the last comment I made. Stupid browser...

Ok, I have to admit that I have never seen BSG and thus I will not be making any "OMG ENTERPRISE WINS" kinds of statements but from what I gather from the article and comments I dont think that Star Trek is in very much danger in this match up.

About matter-antimatter reactions: To give an idea about the amount energy released in A-M reactions, in a Scientific American article about antimatter it was stated that 10 MILLILITERS of antimatter would be enough to launch a Space Shuttle (with full payload) into high orbit.

BSG wins because it is the far superior tv show. :)

Let me get this straight, Kirk, with Boomer\Sharon, Six, Starbuck, the President, hell even the creepy presidents aide sorta hotie, it wouldnt be long before they'd have a full scale inssurection on their hands inside the ol BSG..........maybe toil around nearby in warp, transport the BSG command staff to the Ent. brig, the fab babes above to kirks stateroom for "debriefing"........Nuff Said!!!!

I think the only advantage to Galactica is their ironically mis-named FTL drive.

Unlike the Enterprise, where we clearly see the ship moving through warped space, ships in the BSG universe appear to directly "jump" from point to point in space.

The Galactica has a shot at sucker-punching the Enterprise, but they would essentially have to catch them with shields down and be able to land nukes before whomever was on the helm gave the order to go to warp and get them out of there.

If they don't hit them on the first shot, their only option is to jump away before the Enterprise cuts them to pieces from a distance.

I am not sure if anyone here as ever heard of Doctor Who or not, but I say the TARDIS is far superior to both the Enterprise and the Galactica! Some may argue that the spaceship Titanic was able to plow through the hull of the TARDIS with ease, it must be remembered that the shields were left down, and the Doctor had just finished rebuilding an untested console. There can't be any comparison with the TARDIS, because as the 9th Doctor put, "The TARDIS is the best ship in the universe.".

moya would own both of them.. FARSCAPE FOREVA!

The author didn't even consider that the Enterprise survived a close atomic weapon explosion in Balance of Terror.

It comes down to the people. Lets take a look.

Kirk vs. Adama
I love BSG and Adama but we are talk JAMES T. F’N KIRK, get with it man.

Spock vs. Starbuck
Can u say neck pinch, ya it works on clyons too.

Scotty vs. the Chief
The chief is a freaking cylon get with it man.

Dr. McCoy vs. the cigarette-toting BSC doctor
Jim he’s just a doctor and a damn good one. And he can cure cancer.

(music) dada dada DADA etc.

I’m out of hear beam me up Scotty and warp factor 1 ……

Bears, beets, Battlestar Gallactica!

'nuf said.

He is forgeting the single most important factor in this argument: Captain James Tiberius Kirk. He never loses, period. Adama is old and broken on the edge of retirement, not even comparable to a young, confident Kirk.

Enterprise beams a photon torpedo onto Galactagas' bridge, Galactaga goes bye-bye.

Well it is understandable that the Phasers would degrade in intensity while passing through debris in flak shield... bottom line is BSG has no energy shields..phasers are full of win..sorry BSG I love ya but, No chance against Enterprise. And as for antimatter torps not winning over nukes... what are you smoking dude?

Star Trek TNG: Conundrum. I believe that episode is a good comparison between Starfleet technology and Colonial Technology.

Not even close.

Even a relatively "primitive" ship like Enterprise NX-01 could take out Galactica. Archer wasn't squeamish in a fight, and warp drive alone, followed by phase cannons, would deliver punishing blows that Galactica couldn't recover from...like a fighter jet today coming in out of the sun, DRADIS would never see a warp ship coming until it was too late. What drivel.

This is inanely dumb... the enterprise could engage the galactica far beyond the flak barrier plus missle batteries would be short work for the phaser (considering missles run on fixed propulsion)... The raptors bullets wouldnt penetrate the shield barrier at all- and nukes?? Honestly, Nukes?? The enterprise navigational shields would be able to withstand the heat, pressure and radiation of a nuke! In addition, with nukes also being on fixed propulsion systems the enterprise phaser banks would knock em out of the sky before they hit... And a flak barrier would not be able to stop phaser fire... and photon torpedoes also sent with railgun technology, its traveling way too fast to target! Did i mention the enterprise could beam a bording crew directly to the bridge and knock out all command posts within the initial 5 seconds of an attack???

Round 1: Phasers VS. Kinetic-Energy Turrets
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Phasers are precision weapons, while kinetic-energy turrets are barrage weapons. Barrage weapons are very effective area denial weapons, so the enterprise cannot approach the galactica, anywhere near the range of its barrage artillery. BUT it doesn't have to. Phasers have far longer range than galactica's turrets, and they are instant hit weapons. The moment you fire, your target is instantly hit! Add the precision capabilities and galactica doesn't stand a chance in a 1v1.

Round 2: Photon Torpedoes VS. Nukes
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Anti-matter photon torpedoes are far more destructive than classical nukes. A portion of galactica's mass, equal to the torpedo's mass would instantly vanish in its contact with anti-matter, as for the rest of its mass, it would be annihilated by the sheer force of the energy release created by the matter-antimatter union.

Round 3: Sensors VS. DRADIS
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While galactica's system is better for reading the tactical situation for a battlefield facing multiple enemies, in a 1v1, the enterprise sensors win hands down. They'll be able to read far more information, like the state of galactica's systems, weapons, hull integrity, etc. They can even tell if galactica is preparing to jump! I'm not saying that enterprise sensors are better, just they are better suited for a 1v1 scenario. Most Startrek combat is 1v1 while galactica is more suited to many vs many or 1 vs many.

Round 4: Shuttles VS. Vipers
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While Vipers look more badass, again, they don't stand a chance against startrek petty shuttles. The shuttle has a single phaser, enough to overpower and outrange, viper's weapons. Plus, the shuttle with its small impulse engines, will run circles around the viper.

Round 5: Impulse Engines & Warp Drives VS. Ion Engines & FTL Drives
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Impulse engines are more efficient than ion engines. Basically, yes, the enterprise can run circles around galactica. Its warp drives are also far more efficient. The enterprise can go in and out of warp at will, while the galactica needs preparation and FTL is tricky and possibly dangerous to use.

Round 6: Transporters VS. Raptors
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That's a no-brainer. Transporting at will and with no effort, instantly, is far superior to any classical means of transportation. Plus in a 1v1, the danger you'll face boarding the enemy ship starts the moment you are already there. With a raptor, there's a big chance you get killed enroute and not even get a chance to fight onboard the enemy ship.

Round 7: Shields VS. Point-Defense Cannons
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Thats the only point scored for galactica and only because galactica doesn't use energy weapons. Shields work against energy weapons by wave cancelation. Shields have no effect to kinetic projectiles, galactica uses. So shields or not, galactica will hit you if you're within range. Galactica's point defence won't stop phasers, but it just might be effective against photon torpedoes.

So the Enterprise wins hands down by a 6 to 1 !

Though, the comparison is unfair as technology in startrek is far more advanced and far more unrealistic, compared to where we are at the moment.
I'm a fan of both, and i'd say i prefer galactica for its realistic characters(there are no perfect characters as in trek. Each have their flaws as well as virtues), and techology is not the always be-all end-all solution to everything, unlike trek.
However the new trek film shows promise to be an excellent film and maybe end the perfect character traits of trek. Cann't wait!

Enterprise could simply use the transporter to beam bombs to various locations on the Galactica.

Plain and simple anything in the antiquated BSG universe would be no match for any capital ship in the ST universe. Putting aside beaming technology and that the Enterprise is only a destroyer class vessel and not a battlecruiser like the Galactica, the Enterprise has weapons locking technology. Neither a Viper or a nuclear missle would be able to touch the Enterprise as they would be destroyed as soon as they were in weapons range. As previously mentioned in other posted comments , this website is partial to BSG and a Battlestar vs. a Star Destroyer would be a more compelling tale.

There'd be no contest in a TOS-BSG Zero fight, Kirk'd beam Adama into a holding cell, tell Tigh to sit on his pointy hat and rotate for a bit, and then go tell Adama to get the hell out of his part of the galaxy or he'd beam all the Galactica's containment devices for the reactors into space on wide-dispersal. This fight would end with simply the transporter.

But these posts just do what they're designed to do, get people over here to post and squabble about the topic. Neither ship would encounter the other, they're in different times (and fictional universes).

Hey, how about a "BSG Zero" vs True BSG debate.. which Adama is a better commander?

Or which one is easier to watch? Your BSF Zero (like Coke Zero) I can't watch because of the nauseatingly jerky Blair Witch Handycam shots.. maybe an article on that one would be great.

I call foul.
Comparing the NEW Galactica to the OLD Enterprise is cheating. If you want to make it fair, compare the new Galactica to the Enterprise-E. Totally different scenario.

This should be a no brainer, the ENTERPRISE Captain would open hailing frequency with this unknow vessel. Establish contact with GALACTICA Actual. Begining peacreful talks on establishing a new home for the refregee's of the 12 colonys. Starfleet will not shoot first, especially with unarmed civilian transports in the area. Captain Kirk and Admiral Adama are men of peace who have seen the face of war and battle. The winner will be both of them. New home for the survivors of the colonys and the Federation with new allies and trading partners.

Now if a Cylon basestar would show up, but that would be for another debate.

Yeah--but what about this Galactica against, say, the Enterprise E? Or even the Enterprise D? Heck, even the Defiant might have a shot...

Is the author of this article insane or a BSG fanboy?? Two words: Warp Speed. Need I even say anything else? You can't kill what you can't catch. This article's take is so absurd its not really even worth my comment here.

You need to turn in your geek credentials, now. Galactica wouldn't stand a chance against the Enterprise.

Kevin Hall is a jerk. Comparing the 1960's Enterprise to the 21st Century Galactica? He should have compared the 1960's Enterprise against the 1970's Galactica.

The right thing would have been to pit the updated version of the Enterprise (Enterprise-D or Enterprise-E) with its fleet of Runabouts (Deep Space Nine).

This is like pitting Mickey Mouse against Speedy Gonzales.

Kevin Hall is a jerk and its obvious that being a Sci Fi Channel series that the writer would have made sure that Sci Fi's beloved show would come out on top instead of a sci fi show created by another network.

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Love,
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Just a little injection here about kenetic weapons vs shields. Keep in mind in star trek that they use 2 kinds of shields, primary shields for defense plus secondary which are used for travel to keep debris from contacting the ships hull. Therefore, those are considered kenetic resist shields and the primary shields do both kenetic and energy resist. Also consider the ranges required at optimum for both types of the ships. BSG needs a fairly close range whereas the ST can be adjusted for distance so are effective at all ranges. With the Enterprises speed, the could effectively stay out of Galactica's range and snipe them and they would never get off a shot. Even in vipers, Galactica stands no chance for the fact that the Enterprise can target multiple incoming and fire on all at the same time.
Sorry to burst anyones bubbles but the author of the comparison article is obviously not a trk fan nor has watched every episode of the series nor has he looked at specs of the ships which give very precise details on everything right down to the locations of the toilets. I'm also a huge BSG fan. Grew up watching it as a kid and say the whole series twice and the new one too. Love em both but in this fight, Enterprise wins hands down and not a scratch.

You are all retarded.

transporters, transporters, transporters, transporters.. what else would u need?

OK stepping into the silly fray...

Enterprise has had trouble with nukes, Think of Balance of Terror, a near miss set everyone flying around the bridge, but if they were anywhere near ready for it, the missiles are pitifully slow and could never touch the Enterprise.

The mass cannons are useless against the Enterprise and should be against any near light capable ship. You could not fly at those speeds if every random rock in your path will breach you. Galactica seems to use sheer mass, Enterprise uses its deflector shields.

Enterprise is made to work at Warp speeds, maneuver and fight. Galactica operates in normal space and jumps pretty much blind. It’s sensors and weapons work only at normal space, Enterprise can ”see” while in warp space.

If the Enterprise is caught flatfooted Galactica has a chance (and how exactly will it “sneak” up?), but given a couple seconds to go to warp, Enterprise makes a few passes and Galactica literally doesn’t know what hit her.

No contest, Galactica can’t touch the Enterprise with its weapons.

2 words: Picard Manuever
2 more words: Sister Ships
2 more words: Corbomite Plating (Adama would buy it)
2 more words: Killer Bees (if you're going to pull pseudoTech then I'm pulling Treknical Retcon)
2 more words: Boarding Parties - BSG can hardly handle a Cylon Boarding Parties at a known location, they'd be lost against a dozen teams of red-shirts and a tactical transporter.

I think the comparision is not possible. The original series Battlestar class ships were armed with comparable weapons like laser guns. The reimagined BSG drop the "FI-SCI" approach and create more realistic weapons like kinetic energy guns and missiles. The Galactica - of course without the FTL drive - can be imagined more easily than ST with today's technology.

I'm not a big ST fan so I don't know how the shields of Star Trek ships work. If they are capable to kill kinetic warheads, Galactica hasn't too many chance. If the shield is only agains energy weapons, than the Enterprise hasn't chance.

It could be not easy to compute how many phaser hit can stopped by the armour of Galactica which can resist to multiple nuclear warheads. I think photon torpedoes are not too hard to intercept by Galactica close in weapons because they are missiles in fact.

So I think... Enterprise VS Galactica is more than fiction... they will surely unify their forces against all bad guys in Universe :)

Haha, awesome write-up but you are a little biased or slow.

Galactica wouldn't even be able to touch Enterprise with its weapons. Also, Adama's bird couldn't even dodge really, really slow moving nuke barrages after doing one jump.

Enterprise jets around at warp speed and lobs photon torpedoes.

ow, never been to this site before, but if this is the quality of what passes for posts, I'm unlikely to return.

The author's knowledge of star trek is really quite limited. first of all. generation 4 shields on a constitution class star ship (and I infer this only from the picture, as the author conveniently omitted which of Kirk's Enterprises he was comparing), can if properly configured, output their entire energy load directly into deflector activity. Seeing as how this is essentially a sub function of the e=mc2 equation (with pure matter and antimatter annihilation resulting in a near perfect energy conversion factor of near 0), this allows a far larger amount of replenishing energy discharge to clearly overwhelm the flak impact damage.

Nuclear devices are already clearly measured in energy output in the KWT and MWT range. The same techniques could easily be scaled up to accurately measure the discharge rate of Galactica's nukes. But seeing as how photon torpedoes are also governed by matter-antimatter annhilation, they too have a far greater source energy point and would clearly overwhelm the Galactica with far more energy and harder radiation. This plus the fact that in Star Trek episode A Taste of Armageddon, the planet below has multiple nuclear warheads targeted on the enterprise and as they state in the show, it is of no concern. Add the far gerated maneuverability of photon torpedoes vs: nuclear missiles and you can easily a first early detonation wave of PT's would overwhelm the Dradis system and a second wave would wipe it out without them having a clue it was coming.

I could go on, but why bother?

I do agree about the sensors though. We never really saw trek sensors in the series to know their level of detail, so I defer to the better fleshed out concept.

PEACE

Give me 2 Runabouts and a Klingon and I'll kick the Galacticas ass...and I am a huge BSG fan. But the Universes don't compare.

Here's one to ponder, the cylons vs Enterprise E. They have the same disadvantages that BSG 75 has BUT, everyone forgets the begining of the series. The Enterprise's Achilles heel MAY be it's networked computers (less favc it with voice interface that system has to be one big wireless network.) rememeber that the Cylons have the ability to take over and shut down any networked system FROM THE OUTSIDE. So, that means they could take EVERYTHING off line and the pummel the Enterprise. It would be a simple matter of timing...could the Enterprise strike first? (unlikely considering Starfleet Officers tendencies) unless the encryption is so advance that the cylons couldn't hack it, but I DOUBT that...think about how many times on ALL of the series that the systems were taken over by alien species or entities etc. Comments PLEASE!

Lets see if the galactica could go head to head against the Deadalus in Stargate. the galactica would be destroyed by the asgard beam weapons in a few hits, plus the deadalus has asgard shields.

By Death at 5:50 PM ...No Way! Look at Kirk's history against computers. Cylons hack into the Enterprise and by the time Kirk's done talking to the computer he's go all the female Cyulon's knocked up, and the males waxing the Enterprise.

Or on a more relaistic approach, you are talking about the equivalant of hacking into Norad with a TI/99. Unless you are Mathew Brodrick, it doesn't work.

On another note, Photon torpedoes fired from a ship at warp speed, remain in warp space until at the target and have sheilds. I don't believe that even with the Phasers and targeting computers Star Trek ever had one shot before impact. The mass cannons on the Galactica would not be effective against a warp speed torpedo.

Well, these things are kind of amusing at best, and obviously it doesn't really matter. Although I prefer BSG as a hard hitting drama, and the gritty "realism" of its ships/weapons seem to give them gravitas; the advantage of warp drive and photon torpedos seems kind of insurmountable. Plus, I think I remember a classic Trek episode where the enterprise shrugged off a "primitive" nuclear weapon.

But, really... I'm just as curious about who wins Big Bird vs. Mr. Snuffalupagous!! :P

The real issue is which universe hosts the battle?

If you drop the Enterprise into the BSG universe non of its magical technology works and they lose because they explode instantly when the warp containment goes to zero. Drop Galactica into UFP space and the battle goes as the ST fanboys suggest. The Enterprise has vastly superior magical tech, if it works, they win.

Unless of course they inflitrate a Six onto the Enterprise. Then all bets are off (along with some clothing).

IMPERIAL CRUISER FTW!

Lets face it the Protector from Galaxy Quest would deal massive amounts of pwnage to all comers.

By Gropthar's Hammer I will be avenged!

there's a lot of misconceptions here:

Phasers are FAR more powerful than the author gives them credit for. In Enterprise (the prequel series) we see a *Series 1 Phase Cannon* - tech 80+ years behind even TOS Enterprise.. totally obliterate a mountain the size of Mount McKinley in a single shot. As in blow it to chunks the size of small boulders.

Star Trek shields work well against both kinetic attacks and energy weapons: as many others have said, thats how they get through space without micrometeors cutting holes through the ship or outright destroying it.

Nuclear Weapons are no threat to the Enterprize - as mentioned several times in TOS.

Vipers/Raptors would be worse than useless - they dont mount a single weapon which could penetrate the navigational deflectors, much less the shields of the Enterprize

and the biggie, that ohers have mentioned:

the Enterprize can maneuver and fight at Faster Than Light speeds.

And Flak Cannons detonating a photon torpedo? The author may have forgotten that they travel at near-light speeds (.9c is mentioned in both TOS and TNG) - and theyre capable of independent tracking and movement, it'd just drop below the plane of Galactica's broadside and fly up under the ship and BOOM - game over.

Whoever wrote this article was High on Crack! I don't normally like these debates but really the logic is just plain silly.

1. it's been seen on many episodes that the enterprise phasers can bore right into a planets core, the galactica would have no chance.

2. Scotty could just beam a bomb onto Galactica from god knows how far away. Game over

Don't even get me started on that dradis nonsense...That being said I love BSG.

DRADIS is just radar, really. Just a different name for radar.

I love(d) the new BSG (S4 really lost my attention) - but no way does the Galactica stand a chance against the Enterprise - even TOS Enterprise. Not a chance.

Flak travelling at multiples of the speed of sound? Slow-travelling standard kiloton range nukes?

please...

Hello, Trekkie fanboys!

Since I was attacked rather rudely: Most of you suck their physics knowledge from ST fanbooks, not real physic books! Take the "Nadions" for the "Phasers": They are fiction, even the ST authors admit it!
About the Gauss shell: Any projectile coming in at near lightspeed has power even as a near miss, because of gravity effects! Insulting me does not make "fanwankers" right!
About nukes and PTs: Anyone really looking sees that the delievery system might be different, but death by nuke or PT is not.
Most Trekkies see only the "coolness factor", nothing more!

Ahhh... just pit the Galactica against the any of the Federation's Deflector dish and I promise you one way or another it'll get blown away.

Those miracle working deflector dishes can PWN *anything*!

What about a showdown between the U.S.S. Saratoga (Space: Above & Beyond) & the Battlestar Galactica

"My God...who's manning the internet?"

Round 2: Photon Torpedoes VS. Nukes
Anti-Matter explosion would beats nukes any day. You're comparing an anti-matter reaction to a nuclear one, there is nothing more powerful than an anit-matter reaction, the energy releases is a one-to-one conversion which makes a nuke look like a pea shooter.

Round 3: Sensors VS. DRADIS
How are the sensors on Enterprise not 1000X's better? They can tell you how many people are on the ship, the status of the engines\defences, etc... All DRADIS can do is tell you where the ship is and what kind of ship it is.

Round 4: Shuttles VS. Vipers
It's true that the vipers are much faster, but without shields it would only take one phaser hit to destroy a viper. Plus, phasers are light so wherever you point and shoot you will hit, there is no delay like the vipers weapons....and let us not forget, during the days of NCC1701-D there were Starfleet figters, they just didn't hav ethem on the show.

Round 7: Shields VS. Point-Defense Cannons
How is a flak cannon going to stop a phaser beam????? The Galactica may be armored, but one hit to the unshielded engines would put her dead in the water and then from there you just pick off each railgun one by from a distance. And the shields could stand volley after volley of rail guns, and they Enterprise would never be hit by a nuke because it would just move out of the way because they are so slow, unlike a phaser which moves at "lightspeed"

You guys are all totally off. I'm a trek fan myself, but you guys are totally forgeting about psychological warfare. There was only like 2 chics on the enterprise, so most of the crew would be too busy wacking off in order to fight. So basically BSG guys would have a head start, that in time would prove to be essential, and lead them to the win.

the enterprise would win .

can someone remind Lobo95 that were discussing two imaginary future sci-fi vessels...I don't believe our simple "earth knowledge" of physics apply here.

live long and prosper

BUT the Galactica is a short range killer .

Galactica beats Star Trek on account of realism. That is why I always disliked Star Trek-too fake and clean. Galactica is realistic. As for the Photon vs Nuke thing they were right. In any Star Trek show, the Photon torpedoe appear to only pack a conventional punch. The force of a nuke against shields would overwealm them and simutaneously annialate all ships in the general area in less they have conventional heavy armor like the Galactica.

YES!!! GO GALACTIC U ROCK!!!!!

YES!!! GO GALACTICA U ROCK!!!!!

@Lobo95: LOLZ! your PWND yourself about 3x (at least) each post. U = t3h epic FAIL.

As has been pointed out, repeatedly, Enterprise total win. Doesn't even break sweat.

Take all Galactica tech (all series) and put them up against Kirk's original Enterprise. I like that. It puts the best of the most modern best against the oldest Trek tech ... and still Galactica goes down before it even knows it's in a fight.

Hell, I'll spot you BOTH the original and the new Galactica, plus the original and the new Pegasus. All four of them fully crewed, equipped and undamaged.

Kirk would slice them into confetti. Game over, under ten minutes. Wouldn't even scratch the paint on the Enterprise.

Enterprise maneuvers and fights while traveling at warp speeds. Nothing in Galactica tech will even detect the Enterprise. While in warp, Enterprise is invisible to all Galactica tech level sensors.

Phaser fire might be visible briefly as it appears out of empty space, an incoming light-speed weapon that cuts each battlestar neatly in half with each single shot.

Enterprise easily survived a nuclear explosion very close to it's hull released as "debris" in a surprise attack attempt by a Romulan warbird in "Balance of Terror". Plus, BG's nukes are delivered by very slow missiles (by Trek standards)- I think the Enterprise could easily move outta the way or even detonate the missile with phasers.

I think the greatest problem would be, how long would it take the Enterprise to destroy the Battlestar? I have no idea how big the BG is supposed to be, but it seems outrageously huge. It also seems to be somewhat nuke survivable, so I'm guessing that although it has no "shields" it must have massively thick hull plates. Enterprise would probably have to make a massive investment in phasers (which always seem to drain quickly when shields are up) and photon torpedoes (a massive quantity aboard as seen in "The Final Frontier") to break the BG.

Final Conclusion- Enterprise defeats Battlestar Galactica... but only after hours and hours of fighting. Although... Starbuck and Apollo in Vipers have pulled off some nasty attacks... hmm...

Its even simpler, no fight at all. Enterprise zooms along at warp speeds with shields at full while looking for some mile long battleship and Sulu gets distracted when Uhura leans over in her mini-skirt and THUMP!

Kirk says to McCoy (hanging around on the bridge again), "Hey Bones, you want some roadkill for dinner? I think we got a Malurian space-possum"

As I see it , If.... the Enterprise did not
maneuver at the begging of the battle .
The Galactica could sucker punch the Enterprise,
by jumping point blank in front of the bow ,
and unload all it's nukes .

And then jump a way and jump back .
Firing all it's rail guns .

OR....
Just jump in front of Enterprise and run it over
with the Galactica's overwhelming mass .

Ether way the only chance the Galactica
has ,Is with a knock out hit in the
first ten seconds .

What heresy is this? An aged Battlestar? A heretic Starship? Mere blimps floating in the warp ready for absolution by the Emperor's finest.

If the chaos gods havent touched you within your warp travels, a single imperial class battleship of the IG should cover both enemy vessels.

For overkill, we could send in aplha+ psykers to blow your ships apart.

how about a B'rel or a k'tinga class ship how would that take up

And here is the problem with the scifi channel. It's employees know nothing about scifi television past or present. Fission warheads more powerful then anti-matter. The idiot that wrote this needs to take a college physics class.

And here is the problem with the scifi channel. It's employees know nothing about scifi television past or present. Fission warheads more powerful then anti-matter. The idiot that wrote this needs to take a college physics class.

@Jester
Sulu wouldn't flinch for her, maybe if kirk bent over for him....

Well i dont think anyone will read this but i think its unfair pitting the New BSG against the Old ST... just my opinion on the matter... we can argue semantics for ever and ever haha. Put em up against TNG's enterprise or even Voyager... swat down thouse raptors like flys... and for the fun of it lets send a raptor against a runabout... lol...anyway... lol

@Jester - Sulu don't swing that way. Even if Uhura was going commando and topless when she bends over to pick up her tricorder. Perhaps if Chekov pulled that sort of maneuver ... ;-)

@kruge - phasers can vaporize unsheilded ships twice the size of the Enterprise (as we have seen). Galactica will last as long as it takes light to travel 1.2 kilometers when Enterprise fires a single salvo straight up their @ss from point blank.

@legendzero - high school physics would have been adequate to explain an anti-matter reaction. Remedial astronomy in first year college would have explained it, also.

It looks like this in summary form:

Fission: ((E=MC^2) * 0.0001)
anti-matter: E=MC^2 : your face!

Oh, and photon torpedoes use warp drive to maneuver, and are launched at fractional C velocities (i.e. - like super-gauss canons shooting anti-matter devastation devices).

Adama: What are those pretty blue lights that just appeared?

Starbuck: Dunno. They sure are pret ... [BLAM!]

And, for those of you making some "distinction" between the "fantasy science" of Trek and the "real science" of Galactica, do explain what metals you would construct a ship from that can withstand a 20 or 40 kiloton nuke.

Take your time. Use your 'advance physic knowing' and calculate the heat capacity and structural engineering behind this "real" science. I got a whole life in front of me to wait. When you get that posted, I'll be happy to patent it and make obscene amounts of money from the various governments of the world.

I am a fan of both ST and BSG, but I have to say that BSG would lose for one reason only...TRANSPORTERS!!! Transporters, could easily take everyone off of the Galactica and deposit them in to the vacuum of space, all done!

I think most of us can agree that a Klingon Bird of Prey would make short work of Galactica... with that said, the Enterprise has more than a couple BoP under her belt. So when it comes to Galactica it's not really a fight so much as...
Adama: "What ship just popped up out of no..." sounds of Galactica's hull being shredded like ribbons. "Deploy the fighters!!!"
Kirk: "Say uncle Adama and I'll make it quick and painless."
Adama: "Who the frakk?"
Kirk: "What's that? Your primitive DRADIS system can tell you where we are but not really who we are? How do you even function? Ooooh, look at you arming your warheads.... Sulu, lock onto their weapon bays and use the phasers to detonate those puppies and let's go home."
Adama: "Crap..."
Multiple explosions would echo across space if it weren't a vaccume.
Kirk: "Pwned!"

Antimatter Vs Nukes - Pound for pound yes antimatter is by far a more destructive force than a nuke. But we do not know the exact yield of their relative weapons.From Star Trek we know the yeild of their torps are variable. Many times We've seen torpedoes hit ships with no shields and not destroy it (Wrath of Kahn). It's quite possible the nukes on Galactica are more powerful than the torps fired by the old constitution class.

Phasers vs kinetic weapons. The author failed to take the enterprises computer and sensor tech into consideration. If the galactica can be scanned,the enterprises can easily determine galacticas critical systems and disable its guns or power supply. But with galactica so heavily armed and armored it might come down to whoever shoots 1st. With 4 to 6 phase cannons vs 100 kinetic cannons anything can happen.

Vipers vs shuttles- well since the old enterprise only holds 2 shuttles vs dozens of aggressive vipers the vipers win hands down.
They would however only be good for a temporary diversion attack on the enterprise. They would eventually be cut down by the accuracy of the phasers.
The raptors instantly jumping around the enterprise after launching missiles could pose a serious tactical dilemma. It all depends on how fast they can spool up the ftl drive and how many jumps they can make without refueling.

Since we are dealing with the constitution class enterprise I would have to give the advantage to galactica... However the enterprise 'd' would dismantle galactica

Okay, I've written and re-written this email MANY, MANY times over the past 36 hours. But here's the most recent iteration (I've had to tone it down on multiple occasions and for multiple reasons, but here it goes):

I don't really know how to say it, but the below post from some die-hard closed-minded Trekkie you referenced was totally off the mark! First off, there are two (yes, TWO) science advisers for BSG; one's an engineer and one's a physicist, so that nerd should suck it. Suck it long, and suck it hard.

And as much as I love TNG (that's "The Next Generation" for non-sci-fi geeks), I was never a fan of the original series (other than Captain Kirk being the coolest dude to ever don a uniform in space....before Adama came along). The Enterprise is full of prissy little do-gooders, and they don't have the ability to do whatever it takes to win. They'll always follow the prime directive and look for a moral way to victory...noble, but a little gay. The crew of the Galactica wouldn't hesitate to destroy an entire civilization by nukes, blowing apart their resurrection ship, or by releasing a virus to wipe out the entire race (okay, I know....Helo's a bit of a twit, and he'd make a better officer on the Enterprise than the Galactica). So yes; technologically I'm sure the Enterprise could handle the Galactica, but courage, daring, recklessness, and ballsy 5-paragraph orders to decimate the enemy goes to the crew of BSG-75. Hands down. Byatch.

The funny thing is ,That if the two ship did come across each other , The Galactica would send
out vipers and see that Enterprise is not a cylon ship , And after Spock translates the stone age
signals , Kirk would just say " This is the Earth Ship Enterprise pleas identify "

THE END....

@Malicious manifesto - too bad you didn't bother reading the comments or clicking through the links provided. Indeed, we do know the technical specs. Standard photon torpedo yields ~60 megaton. One spread of five - delivered at C-fractional - would therefore be 300 megaton plus delivered to an unshielded slab of metal.

Let's see ... Trek universe ships (with sheilds down) can withstand multiple hits from multiple-megaton antimatter warheads? We seem to have solved the riddle of whether or not Galactica has nukes that would even be noticed, assuming they weren't vaporized ten or ten thousand kilometers out.

The Galactica can be scanned. The Enterprise computers will map every wire and circuit, and probably identify what Adama ate for breakfast. In under ten seconds.

Shuttles maneuver at C-fractional and can pull thousands of G's in stress without affecting passengers. Apart from the shielding, which would block just about anything less than a direct nuke strike (and might even be capable of that), vipers chasing a shuttle would be like a cow trying to catch a hummingbird. A humming bird armed with phasers while the cow tries to throw BB's at it.

Massive wall of vipers approaching the Enterprise? The Enterprise can shoot a single human being from high orbit. It can reach out and touch other ships from 100,000 kilometers, while maneuvering in warp. 1,000 vipers would take about one minute to vaporize. Did we mention the targeting AI built with 23rd century alien tech ..?

Once the Enterprise actually engages the Galactica directly, two words: phaser enema. Kirk wouldn't have time for a second sip of coffee before Galactica was a glowing cloud of vapor.

Look at loser me ... trying a third time around. Guess it's the last appearance.

Galactitards - PWND.

Go back to squeezing your pimples. Homeroom starts in five minutes.

Ok iread a lot of these and most are just silly. Come on a bullet can penitrate the shields but all of metritets in space cant. St sensors would pick up any in coming ships over 1/2 a light year away and they would be able to catch the enterprise off guard and yes the Enterprise has taken nukes befor.If ST wanted to down grade its wewpons it could just replicate the old teck and throw it out a luanch bay. The shuttle craft shields would hold off a rapture atack long enogh to us its fasers humm what would protect the rapture not much come on St all the way not even fair now may be the Dedulse from SGA old befor the upgrades

Most of you say that enterprise would win and this article is biased.
However is such science fiction battle were to occur, it is certain that Battlestar Galactica would definitely win.
Simply because currently there are more BG fans actively watching the shows then ST fans.
Therefore the writers would ensure BG success in order to be on the side of the numbers.

Well, I know fans of BG would want the Galactica to win, but it would not even come close unless it was in fresh out of dry dock shape, fully armed and was carrying a full compliment of vipers.
However, if Galactica was able to create a localize gravity well it would render warp drive and transporter tech unusable. Then they win in a one-on-one match up even in their lessened state because Star Fleet does not make carriers!

By the way, if you want to see a really one-sided battle then think about an Imperial (Star Wars) task force against a Star Fleet task force. This has been done using Star Fleet Battles rules.
Two things caused Star Fleet to be utterly pwoned by the Imperials: Star Fleet does not make carrier ships; and Star Fleet does not have Interdictor ships which are a part of nearly every Imperial task force.
Just some for geek food for thought.
Oh, and the Death Star vs. B5 Shadow Vessels? Death Star. Not even a contest. (gravity wells really mess up the ability to get into hyperspace!)

This got a great discussion with a group of my friends and we call BS

I don’t agree with the round 1 analysis. The turrets on the Galactica are two slow and ineffective against a warp driven starship.

The rail guns on the bow would be a formidable weapon. If the Enterprise were hit by those I could see it only taking a few hits to penetrate the shields and go right through the hull. A well aimed hit to engineering would destroy the Enterprise. The problem is the delivery is way to slow. The Enterprise’s phasers could easily target the projectiles and/or the Enterprise could easily move out of the way under warp power.

The round 2 analyses are inaccurate. In TOS episode “Balance of Terror” the Romulan flagship puts a nuclear warhead in the debris they eject to deceive the Enterprise and destroy it. The warhead is destroyed by phaser fire less than 100 meters away from the Enterprise. According to Spock the damage was “Mainly overloads and circuit burnouts”. The ship was not significantly damaged. Not to mention that the rockets that carry there weapons to the target are slow. The Enterprise could easily destroy the incoming nukes with their phaser array.

The round 3 analyses are just stupid. Neither technology really exists so I don’t see how they can use that argument. If both technologies did exist sensors would be far superior. With sensors Enterprise could easily detect the most vulnerable areas of Galactica and hit them there. Galactica could only target Enterprise in general which would not be as effective.

Round 4 makes some sense. Shuttle craft are not battle vessels and therefore not designed to fight. However in a battle where a shuttle craft is fighting a viper I’d take the shuttle craft. The Vipers fire explosive tip bullets. You could fire those all day long at a shuttle craft and never harm it. However even with a shuttle crafts limited phaser array you could easily destroy a viper in one shot as they can be destroyed by bullets. I would not want to be in a shuttle craft during a battle between the Enterprise and Galactica but against a viper it would be no contest.

As for vipers in a battle against the Enterprise it would be like throwing rocks at a battle ship. They could do no damage to the Enterprise unless they did a kamikaze run and even that would take many hits to penetrate the Enterprise’s shields.

Round 5 misses some of the Enterprise’s advantages in propulsion. At warp speed it could drop in on the unsuspecting Galactica. With the time it takes Galactica to spool up its FTL Enterprise would have already destroyed it. The Sensors on the Enterprise would allow it to detect Galactica beyond dradis range, swoop in, attack and leave. They also don’t state that in the battle the Enterprise would maneuver at warp power. This would make it impossible for Galactica to even target the Enterprise. Galactica’s vipers couldn’t even see the Enterprise during the battle as it would be moving faster than light. If the Galactica could spool up its FTL and jump out of the battle they still wouldn’t be safe. Enterprise’s sensors extend several light years which is well beyond the range of Galactica’s FTL. So Galactica jumps, Enterprise gets a sensor bearing and swoops in again if they don’t get them the first time.

Round 6, transporters vs. raptors, no contest.

Round 7, shields vs. point defense cannons. Again most of Galactica’s weapons couldn’t penetrate Enterprises shields. While I agree the point defense cannons are effective they take to long to power up so therefore they wouldn’t work. Also, that “flack” would not stop a transporter beam which could also be used as a weapon in a battle against Galactica “more on this later”.

Winner: This whole thing is comparing technologies point by point and not thinking about how the battle would happen. You have to consider that both vessels are greater than the sum of their individual technologies. Since both sides are generally peaceful they wouldn’t probably fight but if that was the intent this is how it would work:
1) Enterprise would detect Galactica well outside of dradis range.
2) Enterprise would warp in without Galactica’s dradis even seeing it because as they say, dradis is really like radar and therefore too slow to detect a faster than light vessel.
3) Before Galactica could power up any weapons and target Enterprise the starship would fire a full volley of phasers and photon torpedoes. More than likely that would destroy Galactica right then and there. If it didn’t there are many ways Kirk could go.

Capture tactic:
As the starship maneuvers at warp speed to keep the battlestar from locking in it’s weapons they could beam a security team into Galactica’s engineering section and/or CIC, easily overwhelming the crew there and disable the ship. If the security team somehow got threatened by Galactica’s marines they could beam out. Having the shields down on the Enterprise would mean nothing as all of Galactica’s weapons would be down except maybe the Vipers.

Trojan Tactic:
Enterprise swoops into transporter range with Galactica only realizing it’s there after it’s in position because of the warp engines. Enterprise beams an anti-matter mine into Galactica’s engineering section with a 3 second fuse. Game over.

Battle Tactic:
Using the Enterprises superior sensors and maneuverability Kirk simply keeps firing on Galactica while not being touched by there weapons. Eventually Galactica is disabled or destroyed. Galactica would never even get in a shot because Enterprise’s weapon range is so superior it could stay out of the range of Galactica’s weapons except the rail gun. To fire the rail gun Galactica would have to point her bow at Enterprise. With their sensor Enterprise would easily detect the rail guns and simply use their warp engines to keep the lumbering battlestar from even putting the Enterprise in the crosshairs of the rail guns.

Basically it comes down to this, Galactica is a space version of a WWII aircraft carrier. It’s very formidable but it’s entire battle strategy is designed to let it’s vipers do the work. The nukes are not effective against a fast target because they can’t hit it before they are destroyed.

Enterprise is like a modern nuclear submarine. Very fast and maneuverable and not easily detected by a WWII aircraft carrier. It sneaks in and destroys the carrier probably before the carrier even knows it’s there.

I watch both of these shows and am well aware of both vessels “capabilities”. Hand’s down I’d want to be on the starship.

How would the Enterprise do against Cylons? Could the automated systems hold out against Cylon viruses? How frustrated would Six get trying to corrupt Spock?

On the flip side, the Borg would easily assimilate Galatica (unless they run away). Because of the differences between warp and FTL travel, Galatica could get away in situations where Enterprise could not.

Whoever suggested a battle between the Battlestar Galactica and the USS Saratoga (from Space: Above and Beyond) has the right idea. And I'd take Col. TC McQueen over Capt. Adama, anyday.

Bladerunner your are wrong on the no carriers part they call the Akira class a thrudeck carrier same with shelly/curry class's so you have very little knowledge on this matter because i have looked it up and seeing as your resarch is lacking because your talking out of your butt you need to go back and do some research. Also the Enterprise would win since it is faster lighter and stronger and to the star wars fans all i have to say is a fleet of klingon ships would decimate a fleet of VSD and ISD and even the SSD by clocking and unclocking long enough to fire

Since the die hard Trekkies just don´t get it: Nowhere in Space is a difference of the outcome of a 60MT detonation of AM or a 60MT detonation of a Fusion device! Both are 60MT! And it does exactly the same to you!

Reactors:ANTIMATTER´S USABLE, I repeat USABLE, ENERGY OUTPUT IS MUCH LOWER THAN YOU THINK! EVEN A FUSION REACTOR HAS COMPARABLE OUTPUT AND IS MORE SECURE! JUST FOR ONCE, GET THE FACTS RIGHT AND LOOK IN A REAL PHYSICS BOOK!!!

For the Trek Heroes: As an aside, the Enterprise is the only ship in ST that withstands kinetic impacts unshielded, because she has "plotshields". e.g. The G fires a broadside. We´re talking here about several hundred shells! Gauss shells travel at high sublight speed AND create considerable gravitic effects adding to the destructive power(even in Space). Even the superior targeting of the E can´t destroy all shells. Let´s say just 20 (which is too low, at least half would be correct, how often have we seen multiple hits on ST ships with smaller barrages) Gauss shells come through. This is the equivalent of 20 good sized meteorits hitting full force the Enterprise simultaniously. We have seen more than once (even if the Trekkies will deny their own series in this) that ST ships have heavy problems with kinetic/mass impacts. No ST shield withstands 20 Gauss shells. A hit by 20 is instant death, because they bring down the shields and shred the hull.

A little newsflash about sensors/beaming: Even ST has unshielded ships that can´t be scaned/beamed on, because they have dense hulls or some unusual materials in the hull. The Galactica is an over 1400m long, thickly armored hulk of metal! The armor has to be some sort of "sandwich" of differing armor layers, since space travel would need such a construction. So you cannot be sure that the G can be fully scanned or beamed on! Still, I concede that most, not all (see my post about navigation) sensors on the E are better.

Armor: As seen in "The Passage", the Galactica is capable to withstand the furor of star coronas for short times, something even shielded ST ships shy away from. So NO slicing the G in one go, like some Trekkies wish, it takes a bit more work.

Space Combat: As shown more than once, Colonials/Cylons use their FTL in Combat. And they can use it often and fast! The longer times are only when you have a misjump and are lost (you have to backtrack)and when one ship has to calculate an extreme range, tricky fleet formation jump of 70+ ships all alone. As mentioned many posts above, The FTL is a lot "faster" than Warp. So as the E has tactical speed advantage via warp, the G has strategical speed advantage via FTL.

About the Raptors: Why do so many ST Fans think the Raptors fly slowly to the E? They jump in, fire and jump out. This won´t be a easy turkey shooting.

Flakfields are more useful than many ST Fans give them credit for. It will shoot down incoming PTs, and if you had paid attention to physics lessons, it will diffuse ans lessen the power of any focused energy effect travelling through. What comes through will hurt, no doubt, but it´s not a so easy go for the E against the G.

What some ST fans overlook: Fighting at super light speeds in ST has a really low hit score and is useless against sublight foes. You can´t fire phasers at faster than light and (even ST canon admits this, by the way!)launching PTs at warp against a sub light target is like hurling stones in the sea for one special fish. Not very secure targeting, because the speed difference is so high and even ST sensors are not that good.

Under the line: Both ships have their pros and cons, but the Galactica has the nose slightly ahead. More, if you count out the fancy and impossible technobabbel of ST.

Just for the fun of it, I'd like to see either of these ships go head-on against a Minbari cruiser from Babylon 5...

I am a fan of both ST:TOS/TNG/DS9/VOY/ENT & Movies and BSG ORG/NEW. So the author of this is for sure a fan of BSG and barely appreciates ST. And he is not looking at this scientifically. So I so not think that he is a good one to write this article.

Round 1: I think he is correct in his assessment of primary weapons. (ENTERPRISE) Round 2: I think he is wrong on his assessment of the secondary weapons. The energy release from an antimatter reaction from a photon torpedo plus the speed of the torpedo would devastate the Galactica. The nuke from the Galactica, assuming the shields are down, could do some damage to the Enterprise. But the Enterprise's Impulse engines could move it out of the way. But I think it would still suffer some damage. (I am thinking of multiple warheads launched). (ENTERPRISE, mostly) Round 3: If we are to compare sensors. It has to be apples to apples, not oranges. Lets compare them to either ST:TNG or VOY. With that in mind. Graphics wise, I would lean on Galactica. But Sensitivity and accuracy wise, Enterprise...overall 60/40 Enterprise over Galactica.
Round 4:Shuttle vs Viper. VIPER, no comparison. But you are comparing a corvette to a minivan...DUH. I am sure that BSG has a shuttle type of craft and I am not talking about a raptor. That is still to much like a military armored vehicle. Where as the shuttle is a space vehicle that is a minivan. (BSG) Round 5:Engines. The assessment was right. The sub-light and faster then light drives for the Enterprise are much more maneuverable then the drives on Galactica.
Round 6: Transporters vs Raptors: Depending on when the transporters are used and if they are up or down. I would give the transporters a slight advantage. The raptor is not a transporter but a shuttle with armor and minimal weapons. If the shields are up, it ain't getting very far. If the shields are down, how is the people on the raptor going to get onboard...punch a hole in the shuttle bay...dock onto a side hatch? (ENTERPRISE) Round 7: Shields vs Point defense: Shields, there have been any number of episodes from several different ST shows that have had ships fire kinetic type of weapons at Star Fleet ships with little to know effect (except one:TNG where everyone lost there memory and suddenly there was a NEW executive officer). I am sure that if the Enterprise stood 100 yards off the bow of Galactica, the point defense canons would have little to no effect.

Winner: Enterprise over Galactica 7 to 1

Note: I dare the author to site episode to prove his point. He didn't in this article.

You guys are funny as hell:)

Photon torpedos will waste much of their effect in light and heat? As opposed to what? The OTHER kind of destructive energy?

Shields don't work on electromagnetic wave cancellation. Has nobody noticed that the Enterprise has artificial gravity, tractor beams and deflector beams? Shields work on the basis of repelling matter and reducing beam energy, in the same way that the energy of light is reduced as it climbs out of a gravity well.

Phasers work by passing light through a warp field to increase the photon energy tremendously and, as a useful side effect, allow the beam to travel at speeds other than lightspeed. Phaser effect is determined by what the input wavelength is, which explains stun, heat, disintegrate, etc.

What is shown on the main viewscreen is NOT everything that sensors can show; it's what the TV screen shows. Helm and gunnery control has a separate tactical viewer that is used by the gunnery officer during battle, and the main sensor station (Spock's) has its own specialized viewer as well.

Galactica's jump drive is only a strategic advantage. It won't do much good against the Enterprise unless Enterprise is hanging dead in space long enough for the Galactica's lightspeed sensors to detect them. If they are near a planet and the Galactica is far enough away to avoid routine detection, how do they even know the Enterprise is there?

Galactica's ion engines may be able to reach high speeds, but since the accelartion of an ion engine is projected to be in the 1/100ths of a gravity, and Enterprise impulse engines get you up to full impulse within a few seconds, ion engines won't be too much use, now, will they?

Galactica's point defense systems may indeed detonate a photon torpedo as it approaches the Galactica...in which case all that will happen is a 21 megaton/kg explosion of gamma and cosmic rays burning out every one of Galactica's sensors, most of their electronics, certainly all of the rail guns on that side of the ship and, since gamma rays induce large amounts of deadly secondary radiation in high density materials such as metals, irradiating a lot of people and formerly working electronics as well. Of course, I wouldn't want to be a Viper or Raptor pilot near a 21 MT gamma ray source. Enterprise shields have withstood this energy on numerous occasions, however. Notably, in the Changling episode, Nomad's energy bolts were the equivalent of 90 photon torpedos, and Enterpise could withstand at least 3 of those.

This leaves aside using transporters.

Also, while I agree that Picard is too often paralyzed by his own unrealistic form of ethics, I don't recall Kirk's ethical concerns ever extending to not taking precautions. In any case, there were several episodes that indicated that shields come up automatically if an intense energy source is detected nearby.

Oh, yes, point defense cannons. I take it that the idea here is the same as "flak" in WW2...which was aimed at slow moving large aircraft only a few miles away at best, which had to stay in the same horizontal plane pretty much, and even then it took a lot of flak to bring down a plane. IF Enterprise is at a reasonable combat distance (for them) of, say, 10,000 miles (i.e. well within transporter distance) and just sitting there...since they can retreat faster than the velocity of a railgun slug, and the Galactica fires, say, 10,000 slugs per minute per gun, and the guns have a very small traverse, so that the slugs don't spread out very much...how much do you think they will spread out over a 10,000 mile distance, with no onboard guidance? And if they move at 100,000 mph, they will take 6 minutes to get there...during which Spock will say "Captain, I am detecting a large number of very rapid magnetic pulses emanating from specific points on the hull of that vessel. Sensors indicate that slugs of an extremely dense metal are being projected toward us. Recommend that we move slightly to avoid them."

Oh, yes...If you fire say, 10 photon torpedos directly at the openings to the launch bays, and the first nine are intercepted, so that only one hits, what happens to the Galactica? It's also a good idea to remeber that photon torpedos can also be used as mines, and remotely guided, propelled by impulse engines, so that they can look like they are going to miss, and then change course at the last second..or, for that matter, loop around and hit the Galactica's engines from behind.

Raptors...is this a pretentious way of describing shuttles, such as those that were dismissed in an earlier round? I'm just saying...

Oh, and since the way to penetrate a shield with matter is by encasing the penetrating matter, i.e. a shuttle in a shield of its own with matched nutation (frequency hopping), why doesn't Enterprise just send out a shuttle with a transporter and a bunch of photon torpedos, or even photon grenades, as seen in Arena, and then it doesn't have to drop shields in order to use transporters.

As for all the arguments about Galactica using hard science as opposed to Enterprise, I'll listen right after you explain how the Galactica's engines provide useful acceleration for a ship that size.

Oh, yeah, I forgot. You do realize that if your railgun slugs have a high sublight speed that the railgun launcher gets a kick of the same magnitude in the opposite direction, right. If we assume that the launchers are big enough, and firmly enough mounted, not to tear loose, all these railgun broadsides are going to act as really large rocket engines pushing the Galactica in the opposite direction whenever they fire. That's why tanks are so heavy compared to tank guns shells...and even then, the tanks rocks back every time the main gun fires.

KIRK VS ADAMA

Let's see, Kirk KICKS ASS while Adama is VERY SAD ABOUT IT. Advantage: ST

SPOCK VS TIGH

Tigh is the only real man on BSG, but PURE LOGIC and the NERVE PINCH beats a fucking DRUNK every time.

MCCOY VS BALTAR

Baltar may get more pussy but he's also a complete spazz whereas McCoy is chill as a cucumber, and has got his science down cold. When McCoy works the problem the problem gets WORKED.

MR. SULU VS FELIX GAETA

Ok, two queers would be a draw here, except Sulu PULLS OUT A SWORD AND CHOPS HIS FUCKING LEG OFF ANOTHER WIN FOR STAR TREK THE CROWD GOES WILD.

Uhuru vs. Any Galactica Chick

Galactica chicks are all totally fucking insane crazy psycho bitches like the ex-girlfriend you never want to see again even though she has all your Metallica CDs because she will probably cut your junk before she offs herself and if she doesn't it's only because she's screaming your ears off like a meth-addled coyote. Every single goddamned one of them.

Uhuru, on the other hand, ROCKS THE AFRO.

AND BATTLESTAR DOESN'T EVEN HAVE A RUSSIAN HOW ARE YOU GOING TO EXPLAIN THAT ONE TO VLADIMIR PUTIN, YOU MUPPETS EVER HEARD OF SPUTNIK?

I rest my case.

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Dear Rutabagalips: Correctly build Gauss weapons have a neglegible backkick! The acceleration comes from recoilfree electromagnets! You only need a tiny cordid load to start the slug, the "combat velocity" comes through the magnets! The recoil from the starting load is easy to handle with inbuild bracing, so no "hopping" in Space!

About Sensors and FTL: The G can travel a distance (16.000+ Ly)in 2-3 years, that the E would need (even with NOT sustainable max. Speed)over a decade! At normal ST cruise speed we are talking about (roughly) 30-40 years! As seen, the Galactica needs to know where they are jumping to. So, (while I admit that most, not all, ST sensors seem to be better except for look) the G´s astrogation sensors must be excellent and their range higher than those of the Enterprise. Which opens up the possibility of a surprise jump in, firing 1,2 killing broadsides, jump out.

About point defence: Your weapon knowledge comes only out of ST, right? If your gauss cannons are powerful enough, you can bring a shell "within an Inch" of lightspeed! So (as in your exsample) NO 6 mins, and any objects coming in at such high sublight create noticeable gravitic side effects, adding to the flak fields efficence! Besides, flak ammo is designed to spread out, too!

About PTs: First, as seen, a Battlestar and it´s systems are hardened against EMP and radiation. So a "flak detonated" PT is not a real problem. Besides, if the G "deploys" the field early, Pts are intercepted before their internal safeties are off!

Shields: As said before, the E has "plotshields". They hold as long as needed, no matter how ridiciously fantasylike it gets! You never see a ST ship "burning" through an asteroid field like racecar, you know why? As several authors with REAL physics knowledge wrote, ST shields have problems with kinetic/mass impacts. So a Galactica broadside is like being bombarded with a cloud of targeted, high velocity asteroids which shreds your shields quite nicely!

Phasers: THe "coolness" all Trekkies swoon about, is based on a NOT even existing particle! So Phasers are nothing more than glorified Lasers/Masers, something what can be handled. Not easily, but handled!

PT and Nukes: What´s not to get? 60 MT are 60 MT, no matter how they came to be. It will eat at your shields (or hull)all the same. So the G´s Nukes are as deadly as a PT. All "extra resistance" is dumb boasting and physically absurd!

AM Warpcore: AM reactions produce much energy, but the side effects lower the usable, repeat usable, amount enormously. A well designed Fusion reactor produces as much usable Energy and is safer!
Despite what you might think, I´m a ST fan,too. I´ve seen all series,but ST took the dive down, when some writers began to let their hobbled together, showy, sometimes even completly false physics look like the "real deal".And the Trekkies don´t accept this. While you always need some suspension of disbelief, Trek and the die hard Trekkies have gone to science Fantasy, and think it can be real!!

LOBO95, where did you get the idea that gauss guns don't generate recoil? Of course they do! The momentum is transferred via the magnetic field. That's why when an electric motor is turned on, the motor tends to rotate in the direction opposite the rotation of the shaft. When you think about it, a gauss gun and an ion engine are the same thing, except that one uses slugs and the other uses ions. IF a gauss gun has no recoil, an ion engine doesn't work.

Also, the energy needed to accelerate a slug up to "within an inch of lightspeed" has to come from somewhere. When you calculate the energy needed to do that for a large number of slugs, you come to the conclusion that the Galactica needs a really big fusion reactor that has huge pulses of energy coming from it during battle, and relatively little otherwise...interesting design. Aha, you say! Big capacitors for surge power...is that anything like, oh, "plotshields"? In any case, the specific and avowed purpose of the navigational deflector array is to keep matter from punching through the ENterprise hull when it is travelling at impulse. Even granting that they dodge the big stuff, just how big are these "inch of lightspeed" gauss slugs?

"I" didn't say that phasers are based on "neenions" of whatever, I "said" that they were based on EM radiation passes through a warp field. If you are going to discount all ST technology as technobabble, then I guess that the Galactica's fusion engines have to go along with their FTL jump drive...oh, and "recoilless" gauss guns as well:)

Oh, as for 60MT vs. 60MT...not quite true. When matter and antimatter react with each other, the result is high-energy gamma rays, i.e. more penetrating than X-rays. This means 2 things. The first is that they are much harder to shield against, and the sedcond is that when gamma rays hit a dense material, they give rise to secondary radiation caused by impact on atoms within the material (Yes, this is a simplified explanation). That means that the shielding has to be really thick, really really thick, to protect against it. Why would the Galactica have so much shielding against a threat that they have never seen before. And if they did, the mass is going to provide them with a few problems, no?

As for deploying the flak field early, all the batter. First of all, since we are talking distances in the hundreds to thousands of miles, the earlier the flak field is launched, the fewer slugs there are per cubic meter of space and the less likely to intercept a photon torpedo. Secondly,any internal safeties on a photon torpedo are intended to keep it from detonating during or near launch. What do you think they would do if a photon torpedo was hit by a gauss slug? Well, let's see...it would wreck the mechanism of the photon torpedo...you know, the one that keep the matter and antimatter seperate? Darn...I guess it would go off, wouldn't it? Just like the Enterprise wanted.

You miss the point of the effectiveness of the Galactica's FTL drive tactical utility. Unless Enterprise is sitting there not moving, it does the Galactica no good to "jump in" and fire broadsides...Enterprise will be in warp if the Galactica is that far away, since they don't normally travel on impulse, which means that the Galactica jumps in, orients, fires a slower-than-light broadside at a ship travelling faster-than-light, whose navigational deflectors knock aside any matter that is in front or to the sides, that can't be hit from behind by slower than light slugs or nukes and might, you know, notice something. This begs the fact that if the Galactica needs to be able to plot the jump destination, and they don't have FTL sensors of high accuracy, just how can they aim accurately enough to get close to Enterprise? The analogy here would be bird hunting with a rifle. That is to say, the bird is Enterprise and the Rifle slug is Galactica. The Rifle slug moves effectively instantaneously compared to the bird, but unless you "hit" the bird, it doesn't matter how close behind you are. Now extend relative distances appropriately...the further away the bird, the harder it is to hit due to inaccuracies in aim. The closer the bird is, the harder to hit due to the time it takes to traverse the rifle. That's why shotguns are used for bird hunting rather than rifles. Aha, you say (again)! Galactica's broadside is the same as a shotgun blast in this analogy! My answer is, No, because the broadside is slower than light, so it either can't catch up to Enterprise, or is blocked by the Navigational deflector or shields. Now, if you launched dozens or hundreds of ships, each with enough of a weapons array to cause significant damage to Enterprise on its own, you could saturate their defenses, in a surprise attack, but that isn't what we're talking about.

Incidentally, the argument that Star Trek physics is unrealistic is a silly one, unless you actually have an actual Enterprise and an actual Galactica to set up a fight with...each is as real as the other.

I posted this to another BSG vs ST thread, so I figured I'd cut&paste it here:

Wow, I'm such a geek for this stuff, and I love this whole premise, but so many of the commenters are completely out to lunch!

Enterprise destroys Galactica without even bothering to call a red alert. Case closed.

Now, to a bunch of erroneous commenters, I have to say, what friggin TV shows have you been watching? If you're geek enough to comment here, you damn well better have your geek facts straight.

Galactica universe HAS NO DIRECTED ENERGY WEAPONS. They rely on bullets. Yes, bang bang bullets. Maybe exploding bullets, but bullets all the same. Watch the show already. They rely on chemically propelled missiles with chemical explosive warheads. They rely on fission nukes. That's it.

Why would NONE of those have any effect on TNG era Enterprise? Active shielding as said many times above. These shields can protect the ship even for short periods inside the friggin corona of a star! You think pathetic megaton rated nukes can degrade shields like that? If so, you are a retard, not a geek. Of course it goes without saying that the weaponry below the nukes in the BSG universe would not even degrade the navigational deflector. That deflector can easily deflect the kinetic energy of meteoroids travelling at a relativistic speed of many tens of thousands of miles per hour. You think that bullets and chemical explosives are even close to .000000000000001% of that? If so, you are a retard.

Some morons have stated that TOS era enterprise was vulnerable to nukes, citing the 1960’s fighter episode. WRONG. Enterprise was severely damaged, in the upper atmosphere, and their SHEILD WERE DOWN. Even so, Spok states that the nukes could damage them, NOT destroy them. Since TNG era Enterprise is many orders of magnitude more powerful than TOS era Enterprise, I call RETARD on this.

Vipers. PUHLEEESE! Why are there no fighters in the Star Trek universe? Because they are useless. If they were not, they would exist. They don't exist because tiny ships like that would simply smash themselves against the shields like bugs on a windshield. Come on, can so many of you be so retarded?

Galactica shooting down photon torpedoes. UGH! PEOPLE! YOU ARE REATARDED! Simple logic, dummies, if point defense weaponry could protect against photon torpedoes, all ships in the Star Trek universe would HAVE point defense weaponry. But they DON'T, because you can't defend against photon torpedoes like that. You either dodge, or take the pounding and hope the shields hold. DUH!

Galactica marines vs. Starfleet. Again, the word RETARD comes to mind. As mentioned by some, Enterprise has internal forcefeilds. Simply box up those pathetic bullet shooting marines and gas them. A friggin first year ensign could handle them. So on the ship, forget it. On a planet, forget it too, unless a marine somehow snuck up behind a Fed guy and shot him in the back. Oh, but wait, that could not happen. Why retards? Tricorders is why, retards. No marine could sneak up on Fed troops. EPIC FAIL.

Cylons defeating Borg, are you f-ing high or just retarded? Somebody forgot to tell you to watch the show then? Because if you did, you would have noticed that little bit about the Borg drones having personal energy shields. Only reason why Feds can shoot them for a little while is rotating phaser frequencies. Even that is only good for a few shots until Borg adapt. You think stupid ass bullet (might as well be rocks) shooting poor excuse for a T-800 bots stand the slightest chance? If so, how? Shields prevent Cylons from being able to touch the drones. Sorry retards, EPIC FAIL. As for Cylons hacking? Oh, those masters of hacking that were so inept that they needed Baltar to GIVE THEM THE CODES?
Also, for you lot that obviously don't watch the shows, the Borg are CYBERNETIC, as in they are as much organic as not. Cylons can hack old school computer networks is all, and not even very well. Sorry, the Cylons are so pathetic that the Borg would pass on assimilating them as they do for cultures which are below a certain standard.

As for Cylons trying to engage in ship-ship, not even a retard would think this is possible. Borg shields are stronger than Feds, which are impenetrable by any BSG universe weaponry. Even if somehow the Cylons damaged a cube, did you forget that little bit about the cubes REGENERATING? Sigh…WATCH THE SHOW ALREADY!

Only thing that makes any sense is Adama kicking Picard's ass. I agree on that. But Kirk would tear Adama a new asshole, piss in it, then sew it back up for him to die of sepsis, all without breaking a sweat.

Now, for an interesting meeting of geek universes: BSG arrives at Earth in the Babylon 5 universe. Much closer match, though ultimately League World ships would exterminate any Cylons or Colonials who got uppity. Would be cool for a full Cylon onslaught against the B5 station while it protects the colonial fleet. Earth Force fighters are more powerful with energy weapons, and seem to be more maneuverable in a space environment, but no active shields. B5 has point defense weaponry, but it can be overwhelmed. Earth Force troops have PPGs and armor to resist them, but bullets would still be a threat. If B5 could hold out, a couple of White Stars or one Minbari cruiser would eradicate any remaining hostiles.

So in summation, Galactica universe is a universe of rock throwing monkeys fighting their rock throwing toys-come-to-life. They drive Hummers (for real, watch the show), need fuel for their chemical propulsion, and basically are maybe a century ahead of modern day real life. Federation universe might as well be that of Gods and magic in comparison. Watch the shows, get a clue, and stop being so damn RETARDED.

Hello!

As I wrote before: Not even clear evidence is enough to sway a Trekkie nerd. Bungoman and Rutabagalips are a perfect exsample.
I won´t even honour Bungoman´s rant with an answer. You can´t talk rationally with fanatics.
e.g. Gauss weapons: If the trekkies would just read what is written! I never said total recoilless, backkick that you can handle!

Oh, your nav deflector goes only in front direction and as seen in many episodes (I know,any true Trekkies ignore any kind of evidence to the contrary!)any ST shields are only so-so against kinetic/mass impact!

Flak: I was in the military and know quite a bit about weapons! The distances are larger in space, but the ground principles are still right.

I thought about a full counter argument, but If clear and with a bit of book reading (outside ST)easy obtainable proof is not enough, then let them be swooning and hoping that the trekkies DO NOT ruin the name of science fiction fans worldwide even more. What I find ironic too highest degree, is that ST, which is for free thuoght and discovery, has the most moronic, pig headed and arrogant following of all scifi series.
Unbiased thinking is a foreign concept for most so called Trekkies.
Let the Trekkies masturbate and shout:"we are the best.", they have nothing else in their pitiful lives.

Phasers v. Kinetic Weapons: I'd say it's a tie. The Galactica's hull is very thick, probably thick enough to handle several phaser blows. Kinetic weapons are pointless against the Enterprise's shield, but since the whole ship is lined with it, it can easily drain the shield. Plus, this should technically be called kinetic weapons versus kinetic weapons. The photons used by the Enterprise are kinetic weapons, so yeah, the Enterprise's shield should be able to handle all those kinetic weapons before they run out of power.

Photon v. Nukes: Photons, obviously. Nukes are damaging, but the city of Hiroshima still survived. Photons, would create a crater several miles wide, that's how powerful anti-mater explosions are.

Sensors v. DRADIS: Sensors. It's linked up with other systems, meaning weapons can have pinpoint accuracy. Galactica has a more manual system. Plus, sensors are very accurate, meaning they can tell where the power system are, or the weapons, or the engines. The Enterprise can stop the Galactica quickly if they disrupt the power supply of the ship.

Shuttles v. Vipers: Vipers. The Enterprise does not deploy shuttles during battle. Although some shuttles do have shields, and the vipers could easily be cut in half with the phasers from a shuttle, it's just not going to happen. Vipers means more gun power, which will weaken the shields.

Impulse Engines & Warp Drives v. Ion Engines & FTL Drives: Enterprise. It's so much faster, and can evade the kinetic weapons. Although this is TOS Enterprise, the Picard maneuver would easily confuse the heck out of Galactica.

Transporters v. Raptors: Draw. Transporter are better although radiation from nukes could interfere with scanning technology to pinpoint a transport site. Plus, the damn transporters keeps breaking in TOS, so I wouldn't count on them. Raptors can't get through the shields, unless it punched a hole through the shields, which it's not powerful enough. Plus, boarding parties can be hard to do. Unlike the Galactica world, the shuttlebays are closed, and have internal shields.

Shields v. Point-Defense Cannons: It depends. Shields are strong enough if it doesn't run out of power. Point-Defense Cannons can't block everything and realistically it is also dependent on how much ammo the ship has. Strategy is important here. If Galactica flies extremity close to the Enterprise, their point-defense cannons can act as a bunch of weapons, which will shoot and drain the shields of the Enterprise. Plus the close proximity of the Galactica will make shooting harder, since phasers aren't everywhere on the ship, and torpedo can't always reach the target if it's too close. Problem is, the Enterprise is fast, and can evade a collision course.

The fact of the matter is, the Enterprise is a more technologically advanced ship, very much like an advanced Cylon ship. Enterprise should win a fight, but it doesn't mean they will. There are other factors involved. Where are the battle placed in? A nebula? If that's the case the Enterprise can easily loose. What about fighting dirty? Strategy is very important, the Galactica could always jump away, then jump back extremity close to the neck of the Enterprise and ram the ships together. Plus, we should really be talking about TOS v TOS, not TOS v. re-imagined TOS. Another option is to compare two Ron Moore ships, so the Defiant versus the Galactica.

Bungoman, there's fighters in Star Trek. They're just not used often, since fighters are war machines, while the Federation is about exploration. Watch Season 7 of DS9 and you'll see the use of fighters. Specifically there's a lot of fighters used during the Battle of Cardasia. It's just kind of pointless to carry fighters during explanatory missions. During battles with hundreds of ships, it's useful since they're difficult to target, and when they fly extremity close, the phasers don't always reach them. Think about it as shooting around the corner, which is hard to reach.

BTW, transporters can always be used to transport torpedoes inside ships. No shields inside the ship... Boom.

Again, based on technology the Enterprise should win, but then, to any Trekkie/Trekker out there, I have to remind you guys of the Borg. Based on technology alone, the Borgs should have beaten the Enterprise D, and Voyager, yet through strategy the underdog won. In other words, this debate is pointless, cuz there's no winner.

Hey Lobo,

Dumb-ass, I never claimed to be a trek fanatic. That's you projecting your own inadequacies upon others. Screw off, I LOVE BSG, simply love it. If only Trek could have been half as gritty. No, retard, I'm simply pointing out how retarded it is to think anything in the BSG universe could harm a ST starship. Here, retard, let me repeat...THEIR SHEILDS CAN PROTECT THEM FOR SHORT PERIODS INSIDE THE CORONA OF A FRIGGIN STAR. And what retarded part of your brain assumed that the nav deflector only worked in the front??? Sooo, retard, they never go into reverse? UGH, SOOOO RETARDED. BSG universe throws rocks really, really fast, and has a bunch of Class C "light fuse, get away" explosives, that is all. Wake the F up you friggin dolt of a retard.

Here, you want an analog to BSG? Space Above and Beyond or Starship Troopers. There, seeeee dummy?

Wingsabre, I chose to ignore that episode and the one where the Borg cube comes into the Terran system. It was bizarre that suddenly the Feds had these obviously pathetic fighter-like ships which were easily destroyed. But one BIG hole in your argument is... Klingon, Cardassian, Romulan, Jem'Hadar (to name but a few) ships are ALL BUILT FOR WAR. Yet NONE have fighters. None, nada, zippo, zero point zero, oogatz. Even Galron's flagship didn't have fighters. Why??? BECAUSE THEY ARE RETARDED and there are no space squeegee guys to clean them off your shield bubble.

Hi, Bungoman!

Thank you for proofing my point! A person, whose every third word is retarded or dummy, clearly says: "I have no manners and no brains to speak of!" And your ranting shows your die hard trekkieness. Even the ST books clearly state that the nav deflector, you overrate so crossly only goes front and IS NOT strong enough to kinetic attacks. (But as you proofed so well, Trekkies only see what is good, never the negative)

About strategy: Trekkies always rant that Kirk is so good. Ever read "Vom Kriege"("On War") from von Clausewitz? Certainly not, because Clausewitz would die laughing seeing Trek tactics! The BSG strategists make mistakes, too. I´m not so blinded to not see it, but most of the time, BSG tactics are more sound. And the FTL gives the chance for surprise attacks. Warp is faster on tactical range, but on long range FTL beats warp easily. (As written before: 16.000+ Lys BSG ca. 3 years[and they had to search and stopped at NC for 1 year!] , ST would need well over a decade at max. Warp, but since ST ships can´t sustain max. warp long, at their cruise speed it would take between 25-35 years)

Lobo, you're just too easy. I give such an obvious opening to simply attack the messenger and ignore the message/facts, and you do exactly as I want you to. You've now gone FULL RETARD.

If you are going to go so low as to include books, then I trump you're retardedness with the fact that even TOS Enterprise knew how to time travel. Hmm... can't really beat that now, can you. So does the military really turn today's youth into full retards? I really hope you're not indicative of the rule. :-/

Now, I'll go back to my all time favorite space show: B5...Vorlons FTW! :D

Bungoman, grow up, you don't have to use retarded so may times. It's an empty argument, and immature. Once you start insulting the other side, you've lost your argument. Plus, you can't ignore full episodes. That's cherry picking. In every single case, strategy is very important. It's how the Hathaway was able to beat the Enterprise in battle, it's how the alliance was able to beat the Dominion, and how small ships were able to beat the Borg. ST didn't use fighters often because it would be extremity expensive to do the battle scenes with models. Remember, they haven't switched to CGI yet. Klingon birds of prey comes in different sizes, large and small. In ST:Nemesis, Picard escaped the Romulans on a Romulan fighter. There's a lot of ST that we just don't see becuase of budget matters, and simply because it doesn't work in the stories. Combat missions are seen on bridges, to introduce fighters would require the introduction of fighter pilots and such, which doesn't work in a show about exploration.

Lobo95 is correct that navigational deflectors aren't strong enough to act as shields against weapons, but it is strong enough to deal with sand like particles, which at warp is stronger than any bullet in space. Plus there's whole shields thing. Why use a navigational deflector when the shield could be used? It's nit picking on a very pointless topic. The Enterprise would use shields way before they use their navigational deflector during combat. You're wrong in terms of warp versus FTL. Federation ships are fast enough to travel from system to system, but in BSG, it would very much appear that the ships are isolated to a small region in space. They rarely see another planet.

When it comes down to it, it really depends on the strategy, the battlefield, and all sorts of variable. Based on technology alone, the Enterprise should win, but technology can only go so far. For example, if the Galactica jumped into a Nebula, they could easily win a battle against the Enterprise.

Apparently none of you have actually watched these shows much. Here's how it would go down.

Enterprise sees Galactica first with it's longer range sensors, and moves in to initiate contact with this new species. About the time they are sending the first messages to Galactica, Enterprise shows up on Dradis.

Within seconds, Galactica launches its ready Vipers and begins a massive barrage of flak cannons. Enterprise has enough time to see they are "powering up their weapons" and go to red alert.

The shields come up just in time to ward off the worst of the flak, but they are quickly overwhelmed. Enterprise fires it's first phaser volley as its shields fail and the vipers reach their target and being targeting the phaser ports and engines.

Just then, as Enterprise is preparing to go to warp and get the hell out of there before they are toast, the Raptors get within range, jamming all sensors, making Enterprise blind just as the last phaser port is destroyed by Viper fire.

Galactica signals its ships to return home as it fires the first and last nuke into Enterprises hull, causing massive external and internal damage, breaching the anti-matter containment units, and causing a massive matter/antimatter collision which is a very pretty fireworks display for the Galactica crew.

There is no question. Galactica has the edge, because she's ready to attack. Enterprise and her crew begin by investigating and talking.

I love both shows, but Explorers are never any match for battle hardened warriors who will attack at first sign of any threat.

Wing,

I just like being exceedingly animated in my posts. Notice it was Lobo who responded to my first post in an Ad Hominem way, yet my first post was not directed at anyone in particular. So he started it mom! :D

Listen, you and your fighters are a nitpicky argument. The reason you have to marginally cherry pick the ST universe is that there are a myriad of one time events which should basically give them almost Q-Like power. That's why you have to boil it down to some semblance of basics, otherwise my quip above about all of ST having time travel is perfectly valid, and closes this case 100%.

So its like this: random battlestar goes through a quantum mirror and appears in the same system as a Galaxy Class star ship. If you have some bizarre need for explanation as to why either party would be belligerent, how about instead of the normal ST universe its the mirror universe of a sort.

ST has no fighters, but no time travel nonsense and other one-offs either. Just the angry star ship looking for a fight.

BSG has everything that has ever been presented in the NEW BSG universe, that's perfectly reasonable. No reference to BSG 1.0, mmmkay?

So nobody gets to sneak up on anybody, no bullshit infantile what-if a raptor appears inside the star ship, what-if star ship beams bomb onto bridge or pieces of tylium engines away.

Now run the game. There is just no way the BSG ship would stand a snowball's chance in hell. Of course there is always an exceedingly remote chance of some magic chance maneuver, but that exists everywhere. A caveman "could" sneak up on a Special Forces unit and clonk them over the heads with his stone axe. In fact, Quantum Theory for real states that any imaginable possibility WILL happen at some point, not MAY, but WILL. Yes, I watch smart TV too and love Mitchio and Dyson.

So leave the silly what-if's aside, and you get a ridiculously one-sided match. In fact, I can easily say that any of the Pro-BSG deniers, if asked to actually bet real money on a real-time simulation, would ALL bet on ST. Every single one of them.

Of course both shows take serious liberties when it comes to physics and anything remotely plausible. ST always comes up with a one-off solution which is conveniently forgotten the next day. BSG almost makes no apologies about its nonsense. Boomer can blow through hull with plastic explosives, yet that same hull can withstand nukes? WTF with that idiocy? Not to mention how all the fighters pitch and bank like they are flying in an atmosphere. Pretty much only B5 ever handled that properly. ST does it a lot too. Why space-only ships are shaped in a seemingly directional and aerodynamic way is bizarre. All ships should be discs or spheres.

Oh, and the silly nebula comments. Stop it you retards, it totally depended on the composition of the nebula. Many times ST ships enter nebulae without problem. Voyager just did it the other night as I am watching on DVD. And how do you know that the same debilitating nebula would not fuck over BSG tech? How would the fighters navigate with no vis and no Dradis? ST could fire a spread of wide dispersal photons into the general vicinity of BSG and kaboom.

Do you nerds have nothing better to do? Get out of your mothers' houses, discover girls, and get lives.

If you're going to use the 1960s Enterprise then you must compare it against the 1979 Galactica. The real battle would be Adama vs. Picard and the Galactica vs. the Enterprise-E. But regardless, even if a few nuclear missiles are better than a full complement of photon or quantum torpedoes, ST's shields, transporters, scanners, phasers and propulsion all have the clear edge over the Galactica. Saying that Dradis is better than the Enterprise’s long range and a short range sensor is an insult. The and as for the Vipers, don't they fire bullets? What good would that do against the Enterprise's shields?

Bungoman, if you want to bring up time travel, then go ahead, but this comparison is between TOS Enterprise, so time travel is not applicable. Every time they travel back in time they had to sling shot around the sun. Not only was that draining on the engines but also damaged the shields. Additionally it drains the power supply. Time travel for the most part should be left out of star trek. Not only is it an unimaginative way to get out of a tight spot, but it was the crutch B&B fell on when they couldn't think of anything to do for ST:Ent.

The Federations have fighters. http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Federation_attack_fighter

Yeah, it depends on what nebula the fight is in, but for the most part, ST ships have a difficult time navigating through a nebula. BSG tech also, but since sensors are down in nebulas, the BSG tech are more used to manual firing and there's more weapons on board. Plus, the federation doesn't believe in shoot first as questions later, BSG is must more liberal about that.

"Oh, and the silly nebula comments. Stop it you retards"
So, you're going to say I started it, because you're the first to call people retards. It would seem that your vocabulary is rather limited, since retard is a rather empty meaningless statement used by 1st graders.

As I've said before. Based on technology alone the Enterprise should win, but that doesn't always pan out. There's a whole list of possible variables that can affect the outcome. The most likely option though is they don't kill each other and work together. After all, they're human.

why this even come up, i'm a true galactica fan but technology vise enterprise is 100's of years ahead, no shield , primitive nukes... common ppl, only thing galactica could maybe do is jump away (run like hell)

Wing, Wing, Wing, you missed the episode where Kirk and gang INTENTIONALLY travelled back in time and met Gary Seven? No damage, no problems, nothing. But I was simply pointing out how you HAVE to cherry pick in the ST universe, its unavoidable.

But, ok, fine, we'll go with fighters in ST universe. BSG is double dog screwed then as they have shields AND phasers. But who cares? Vipers shooting their really fast slingshots are not even a nuisance. So what the heck is your point?

I like the word "retard". If Borat can use it, I can to, and to great effect.

Hi, Bungoman!

"Nice" to see you trying to shift blame on me! If you´d remember correctly, you would see that the first person chosing insulting gutter-language was you!

Some one needs to take the spec's both ships and make a video game so we can just play it out ....
And if you real want to get crazy .
Why not get a couple blimp hangers and build giant Enterprise AND Galactica mockup's and link them with a server .

Hi Lobo, Buddy!

"Gutter-language" Why the hyphen?

Sorry, my narcissistic friend, my initial post was in no way aimed at you as I didn't know you. Cause and effect, simple logic. But you're such a narcissist that you assumed it must have been. Really now, I think the mirror will satisfy your needs much better than I!

Just watched another Voyager episode where a shuttle shows its no slough at all. Kazon big-ass ship gives it a hammering, yet it survives longer than you would think. So how about one shuttle craft hangs out, shields up, and picks off the silly Vipers while the bridge crew gets a drink? Maybe pre-ensign Wesley could get in the targeting and piloting practice? :D

Hi, Bungoman!

Well, English is not my native tongue, so sometimes mistakes happen.
About this thread: You ignore even the most logical , well referenced evidence. You pick only the "raisins" of available data, conveniently forgetting any flaws of your "holy Enterprise". You are often insulting and no matter how often you deny it, you are a die hard trekkie. You fit the profile perfectly: You think Star Trek is the best. Anything against this presumption, you ignore.
It IS ironic, that a series about exploration and openness, produced such fanatic, fossilized brains. (This is not an insult, just stating of fact, since you belittle and ignore any rational, reasonable discussion, which anyone reading your posts can see)

My good and dear friend Lobo!

Again with the narcissism, does it know no bounds? You are calling me a liar, which is the height of narcissistic hubris. To think that I would care so much about you as to go to the extent to lie. I'm sorry, my little buddy, but pretty much NOBODY cares about you, as it is with most of us.

Now, shuffle back over to that mirror and sooth your bruised XL ego. Or maybe take the opportunity to evolve? (just a thought).

So looks like you have no idea who Mitchio or Dyson are, huh?

In a nutshell any NCC-1701 is more powerful than either Galactica - there is no comparison between raw power and technical capability. It all comes down to how the people use it.

As noted even a River-class runabout could beam a nuclear weapon into the Galactica from standard orbit distances (which we can assume are at least 12-14k miles in altitude to avoid interfering with satellite telemetry), probably before dradis could accurately pin down their coordinates.

But Adm.Bill Adama ain't no pussy! Spin that FTL up and you can initiate a jump anywhere within range, probably several parsecs. You will recall how he daringly jumped Galactica into the upper atmosphere of New Caprica - I thought I would drop a log! You'd never see Lorne Green's Adama do that and Kirk was only willing to sacrifice Enterprise as long as it was already dead (ST;TSFS) and he could escape.

You might have noted on that and other occassions that a jump causes a massive displacement of matter in atmosphere. There was a resounding
'whump' when Glactica arrived and when she jumped out there was a suction vortex as she created a momentary vacuum. What if you set your jump coordinates INSIDE the secondary hull of a Fed starship? Yes, you'd stand a good chance of dying if you ruptured the matter/anti-matter core but if you didn't you'd rend the enemy from within - kind of like it did John Hurt in Alien. Yes, the laws of physics do say two objects can't occupy the same space at the same time, so the displacement effect of the Glactica's jump and the overwhelming mass of the huge ship should rend the Enterprise in pieces.

Oh and about Sulu, remember he's straight or at least bi - his daughter piloted 1701-B. It's just the guy who played him who's so... sweet?

And a better actor than Bill Shatner ever was.

Jester,

OH MY! (George T reference)

You know, if it were so easy to jump a raptor into another ship, don't you think that would be almost standard practice in the BSG universe? Just build a pilot-less Raptor like ship, pack it with a nuke, and jump it into any base ship that appears. But wait, Cylons have more advanced jump engines than the Colonials, and unlimited supply of ships, why aren't they doing that? If not to the Colonials, than to each other in their little civil war?

So to ALL of you who keep wondering about BSG universe ships jumping into another ship...EPIC FAIL, and watch the darn show a bit more closely, now, will ya???

I generally do consider myself a nerd/geek... but then I read threads like these and am saddened...

I say Galactica would win because it would overwhelm Star Treks repetitive storylines, bad acting and extremely implausible social order with something somewhat approaching true allegorical science fiction.

I mean, clearly Kirk would have the advantage with warp, PTs, and transporters, but Adama would quickly react with Characters Adults Can Care About, Actions with Real Consequences and Consistent Story Arcs!

Finally, while Kirk can summon millions of dungeon masters to his aid, Adama has the magical power to MAKE A SHOW NON-NERDS AND WOMEN WILL WATCH... AND ENJOY!

....Too mean, I know, there were plenty of good ST episodes, but all things being equal, there are a LOT more misses than hits. These are the most retarded threads possible. The level of fanboy nerd-dom on display here is out of control.

The problem with the comparison from on a most basic level is the fact that Trek has teleportation. If you look at the real implications of this kind of technology, you would invalidate the need for ships, weapons, communications systems, or anything else in the in universe. You are basically a demi-god technologically at that point. Its staggering, so the whole premise is pointless.

Also, wouldn't Kirk or Picard probably feel bad about obliterating the only defense of the remaining human race? I mean, wouldn't star fleet actually prohibit that?

Actually, I may be wrong... but since BSG has FTL drives but not WARP drives, wouldnt the prime directive apply and they would have to leave them alone?

Better Battles:

Kirk vs. Adm. Adama : I'd say Kirk wins. Younger, spryer, less bullet wounds. However, Adama might have taken the Martyr perk and blows them both up at the end.

Riker vs. Lee Adama : Tie for general douchebaggery & self importance. Riker wins points for the beard and womanizing, Lee balances with angst and political ambitions.

Tasha Yar vs. Kara Thrace: Kara loses first round, mysteriously reappears, stabs Tasha. Win goes to Kara.

Data vs. Six: Early in series, Data wins hands down. Later on, after intalling the Boner-Chip, Six gains a significant advantage. Odds are 5:3 for Six.

Spock vs. Roslin (playing blackjack): Spock is always logical, Roslin is never logical. Spock Wins.

Spock vs. Roslin (being hardcore): Spock is willing to put the good of the many ahead of the good of the few and off himself. Roslin airlocks biatches she pleases, freely tortures, attempts genocide, rigs elections, makes decisions based on hunches & scripture, and was the secretary of education. Also, Donnie Darko's mom. Roslin, the winner, its you.

Geordie La Forge vs. Tigh: Tigh still has one workable eye, but Geordie has the cool visor. However, Tigh is immortal, guaranteed win.

Picard vs. Ressurection Hub: Picard wins by being the ripped-est, oldest, smartest of all. The res. hub self destructs out of shame.

Apparently, Mr. WORSTTHREADEVER, doesn't actually read very well. You know, that little bit just below the comment window where it says: (Please be patient, it may take a moment for your comment to appear.)

HAHAHAHAHA! Douchebag FAIL FTW! :D

OK so I'm gonna play the physics card here:
Starship Enterprise max transporter range: 40,000 km
Battlestar Galactica long range rail gun speed: 40,000 m/s

Lets do the math:
If the Enterprise warped in at max transporter range with the intention to transport one or more photon torpedos on to the Galactica like Janeway does to the Borg probe on Voyager, they would have just over 16 minutes to do this assuming the Galactica instantly gets a targeting solution and fires on the Enterprise the instant they come out of warp.

Summary:
Kirk: Enough time to have the torpedoes loaded on the transporter tubes, lock the target, make the transport, have a quickey with a blonde yeoman, smoke after sex and warp out.

Adama: Enough time to say "Frak me."

Dear SO2k: As stated many times above: The Gauss cannon shells of Galactica are far faster than your "ST-physics" tainted brain can accept! And please do not get started on the tranported PT in Voyager! The way all trekkies state a tranporter works, means fully thought through: If you beam a PT, you break the warhead seal, which means it goes "bumm" on your own ship!!
But ST, as much as I like it, has horrible bad and false physics, which even "it´s the future" blabbing can´t save, because they violate some universal principles, even future research can not change! ST went on the down spin, when they tried to make their hobbled together physics look like real and unfortunatly many fans sucked it up!

My good and dear friend Lobo,

There you go again, making an ass of yourself. You would think it was going out of style! Of course, the physics that is utterly ignored without even an attempt at explanation in BSG is legendary. Simply legendary. Even Dr. Who and Torchwood have better explanations. Sorry, my silly little ass, your assery nets you another EPIC FAIL. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

ok ok we got it.... trekkers are in bigger numbers than BSG fans lol :P
but that's not what I wanted to say in the first place.... IMO just the fact that most tech in BSG are already existing or close to it when the one in ST doesn't gives the realistic advantage to BSG....
but again not my point either....

how about the element of surprise and the sheer mass of the BSG.... with a strategic advantage by it's commander.... we have seen the BSG getting out victorious of battles where they were out powered largely didn't we ???? and we are talking about machines... that theoretically can compute strategies faster than humans....
so yeah on the straight tech comparison enterprise beats BSG hands down.... in an actuall battle configuration I'm not so sure....
imagine the BSG jumping right in front of the enterprise scrambling vipers and having raptors jumping in and the entire fleet around it and just raming the bitch straight...
and for the one saying the enterprise is faster and more maneuverable... ok you are right... but 2 things to take in consideration here... you have a well trained military crew already at their battle station in full alert and with a plan.... the reaction time of the crew on the enterprise side to get to their battle station or just to realize what's happening would give the advantage to the BSG no matter how more technology advanced the enterprise is.... better the BSG jumping in front of the enterprise in motion...

to finish I have rarely if not never seen the enterprise engaging the enemy without trying diplomacy first....
the enterprise crew is just not fit for combat against the BSG crew.... in other words I'd take napoleon with a less powerful army to lead a war against a a powerful but peaceful nation... for a comparison.... it's like sending a small delta force or any other special ops military corp against a more equiped bunch of diplomates... I still give the military winning the face off...
and for the one talking about the death star winning.... remember me what took down that beast ???? oh yeah an X wing lol :P I'm pretty sure a viper is up for such a job too lol

to finish I have rarely if not never seen the enterprise engaging the enemy without trying diplomacy first....
the enterprise crew is just not fit for combat against the BSG crew.... in other words I'd take napoleon with a less powerful army to lead a war against a a powerful but peaceful nation... for a comparison.... it's like sending a small delta force or any other special ops military corp against a more equiped bunch of diplomates... I still give the military winning the face off...
and for the one talking about the death star winning.... remember me what took down that beast ???? oh yeah an X wing lol :P I'm pretty sure a viper is up for such a job too lol

UGH!!! You lot with your consistent return to the

"Enterprise would try diplomacy"

"BSG can appear and overwhelm"

bla, bla, bla.

I said it before. A caveman could theoretically sneak up on a special forces unit and kill them with his stone ax. But that's a specious point in relation to the question at hand.

Its tech-vs-tech. If a 2 year old were left at the helm of the Enterprise, I guess it would lose. :-/

Galactica would win in any fight. Do to the fact that starship is as fragile as an egg. I remember the enterprise came across a 1megaton nuclear warhead that exploded close to the ship and it rattled the ship and disabled a lot of stuff onboard. Now imagine the battlestars full armament coming to bare on the starships starboard side? The galactica’s point defense would not allow a torpedo to get close enough to do any damage. The starship has to keep the Galactica within her weapons 60 deg. arc to get a hit, while the Battlestar has a 340 deg. Arc of fire. While the photon torpedo is more powerful then missile carried by Galactica, the torpedoes can only be fired ten at a time while Galactica can fire hundreds in a single volley. Also the torpedoes would have to penetrate the Galactica’s hull to do any real damage will it survive the armored hull? The galactica’s missiles would only have to get close to do damage. Starfleet’s sensors would go in to overload with hundreds of explosions going off also with vipers and raptors running shotgun the enterprise would be easy prey for the Galactica. The enterprise is tough with an undetermined but when she is up against the wall she prefers to run. That’s right she never really engaged an opponent determined to destroy her. While the Galactica has proving herself time and again!

Where is it said that Galactica uses gaus guns? More likely they use conventional cannons with a high rate of fire. IIRC the nukes that wiped out the colonies were in the kiloton range. The colonials would not have more advaced weapons than the Cylons had. Before you bitch about Star Trek's technology Lobo, you should realize that BSG has its fair share of it too. Like your magic anti gravity and FTL jumps that aren't any more plausible that warp drive.

Hey, In the episode "no-man" The Enterprise got hit with 8 nukes... and survived...

Okay Try The Remaqn Scimitair against any BSG ship. Total pawnage!

Yeah Battlestar Galactica only has 5 nukes left at most.

The Galactica is fully armed with supplies from Ragnar anchorage. When they first set out she only had five nukes but after they stopped at the station they rearmed. Plus they have industrial ships that produce weapons. The Scimitiar would not be able to survive a bout with a battlestar. She did have a super weapon but by the time she powered it up she would be hit with a full broadside. Kaleb the enterprise didn’t get hit with 8 she dodged 8 they exploded close to the ship and had to limp back to base, Now imagine 100 coming in? The nukes used on the colonies looked to be in the megaton range. They called them planetary bombardment nukes.

Salve, Sideswipe!

The colonial/cylon nukes are in the higher yield megaton range. In the mini-series it is stated that Caprica City was destroyed by a 50+ Mt detonation!
About the FTL: The spacefold the G uses is physically sound (as is the warp you have to be fair),we just don´t know how to make it workable. The artificial gravity seems to be an offshot tech from the FTL, since spacefold means manipulation of gravitic forces.
About the Gauss cannons: The SFX team said that Galactica´s weapons are railguns, which is a subgroup of gauss weapons tech!

Still waiting for an explanation as to why plastic explosives can breach the Galactica hull when the plot calls for it, but otherwise can withstand nuke hits.

Still waiting for an explanation as to how the idiotic landing bays work: no forcefield tech in BG universe, yet somehow there is atmosphere in there immediatly after a crash landing.

And STOP ALREADY with the "full broadside" asshatery. This is a comparison of general technology, not silly one-off and exceedingly rare instances. Are you too retarded to understand the whole premise of this thread? Part of tech is maneuverability and speed. It is equal in importance to weapons and defenses. So, in general, there would almost never be an instance of the BSG getting the opportunity to lob a "full broadside" at the Enterprise. Refer back to my caveman vs special forces unit post in case your measly 2 brain cells can't wrap themselves around this concept.

Tell you what, idiots, I'll take out an M1-A2 Abrams, you take out a WWII Panzer, and we'll see who drinks a beer afterwards. RETARDS.

Ah, Bungo, still thinking retard goes out of use?

About the water tanks: It´s easier to crack armor from within than from the outside! Detonating "correctly" a bomb inside an armored place means you get a flippantly called "strong salsa". The shockwave bounces off the walls several times, each time getting more power. In addition, it was a frakking water tank, so the special properties of water, yes this stuff is a bit unusual, add further power to the blast. This is no magic, no error, just physics at work. The armor is strong enough to stop nukes and still can brought down from within.
About the landing bays: You just outed yourself as a troll for trolls sake. It seems you never really look at what you are seeing. The personal in the open to space area is in SPACE SUITS! You can see this in more than one episode! Enigma :-) solved!

About broadsides: As a good Trekkie always does, you grossly overglorify the ST reaction times. Which are definitely in the lower (read: slower) spectrum in more than one episode. A determined G has more than ample opportunity to get one or two broadsides in, before a typical ST ship can get away. And one broadside is enough to at least cripple the E.

About the tanks: If by WWII you mean a tin can like the Sherman, then yea. A decent crew with a Panther I/II or Tiger II, will always put down a loudmouth like you!

My good and dear retarded friend Lobo (short for lobotomy perhaps?)

What a load of gobbledygook hogwash. You know nothing of demolition other than what you watch on Mythbusters, dope. None of the small power multipliers you mention can compare to nuclear detonation. Jeezus you are daft.

And you total retard, I guess you missed the recent episode where the raptor comes aboard with Boomer and Ellen? Of course you did, because you are retarded. If you had seen it, you would have seen multiple shots of Adama in profile, looking towards the raptor, with the landing bay stretching off behind him, and a nice large black box where it opens to space. So you call me a troll, yet I watch the show and you don't. Silly lobotomized retard.

No, I meant a PanZer IV specifically, but fine, you get a full on Panther or Tiger. I get the Abrams. I'll sift through the charred remains of your rig and scoop out what's left of your retarded lobotomized brain. HAHAHAHAHAHA! :D

Bungo, when will you learn that my hide is thicker than your sting? Lobo is spanish for wolf. Yeah, knowledge of foreign tongues would come in handy, but considering how you butcher your mother tongue, one can´t be surprised that other languages are beyond your intellectual horizon.

The small detonation does not do it alone. But when you put it on the internal structure that has the armor attached to, this will rip it open. The armor will stay "whole", but since the underlying structure becomes "unstable", the section opens up.

About the bay: The raptor scene you mean takes place in the pressurized main repair bay below the landing runway. I watched the scene again, there is nowhere an area open to space. If you had seen the miniseries, you would know that the "birds" were brought down there by lifts. The only "black box" you could mean at one end of the bay is NOT space, but a blast door to a lift area. (see Miniseries!!) So my troll comment is reaffirmed!
About the Panzer: Superior strategy will triumph over you. Fancy toys can´t garantie a victory if they are commanded by loudmouths.

You must be watching on an old TV with OTA analog reception, or you're RETARDED. See, there are many scenes like this throughout the series. You clearly see space, stars, even details like fleet ships in the background. Maybe ask your care giver to buy you an HDTV and get you one o'dem digital converseeon gubbment boxes. Hold on a sec...

OK, back now. Since I still have the episode on my HDDVR, I just re-watched the scene. Lookie there, MY GOD! ITS FULL OF STARS!

HAHAHAHA, try as you might to dig yourself out of this hole, the truth always attends to itself.

Retard, look at the silly lobotomized retard, na na na na boo boo! Its so fun to tease and torment him!

:D

Hi, Bungoman!

You seriously need glasses!! Even on HD there are NO stars, ships, whatever visible in the hangar bay!Only the upper flight deck is open to space!

About the torment: As I said before, my hide is thicker than any sting you are able to produce. I find it rather interesting, how seriously calcified Trekkie brains are. You are perfect red shirt material.

I have always wondered about that too. Bungo is right, there are a bunch of scenes throughout the series in which you can see space in the background when people are walking around the bay. Maybe just an oversight by the producers, but Lobo, he's right.

I've done some looking around on the Net and have found the technical explanation for the new Galactic stating that it does have two decks and the old Galactica had forcefields of some sort. So I don't know which is more valid in the conversation, the actual visuals, or the online technical explanations.

Hi, Thepartypooper!
Nice to have a discussion with someone who´s every third word is NOT retard. Being Grown-up is a definite plus!
About the bay: The area open to space is the part of the bay where the Viper, Raptor and smaller civil ships land. If you look close, all personal on that deck is in space suits. The part that Bungoman rants over, is the pressurized main repair bay one or two decks below the landing space.(accessable through lifts as seen in the mini-series) If there are people in the open to space landing area without suits on (I doubt it, but it might be possible), then it´s an oversight by the CGI crew.

Bunghole :) seems just to be trying to rile people. I take it more as a goof. But I'm serious, there are scenes with main actors where you can see the opening to space way down the "hallway" so to speak. I also saw the scene he referred to a couple episodes ago when they greeted the Raptor. I swear you can see the big maw opening into space in the background.

Just in the interest of full disclosure, I do agree with the Enterprise Wins team. Its all been said before, so no need to go into why. But I tend to enjoy whatever series I am watching in first run at any given time, so I'm not partial to any series in general. Though I wish Farscape and Firefly did not end. :(

Oh my.... it's fun watching all the trekkies coming in and insulting people and giving everyone an extremely one-sided view of things, then star wars fans brag off about the death star and the asmatic 9'4 sith lord that can pretty much whipe out everything and everyone, then the BSG fans will probably come in, so on and so forth...

Now, to be fair, both "sides" in the arguments do make good points and also *coughs* lousy ones. Maybe photon torpedoes are better than nukes, but star trek shields are designed to take energy damage, not conventional slug shells, so where do we stand?

Point is, we should stay civil and open minded about this -- this match thing is based on analysis of completely fictional ideas, it's perfectly plausible that either side is completely wrong about their views.

Now, as for who I'd like to see next, how about one of the SG-1 ships versus Enterprise-E? Or maybe new Galactica versus a Babylon 5 Earth Alliance battleship (would be fun, those two are at more or less the same level of tech, both have fighters, so on.... would be interesting :D ).

Trek shields have been suceptible to kinetic events before. In the movie Inssurection, the shields of the lead Son'a ship are knocked down by igniting some gas in the Briar Patch nebula, yet they can withstand nukes? Not very consistent. And the second Son'a ship has it's shields knocked down by a piece of wreckage from the other ship moving a just a few hundered meters per second. That ship is either crippled or destryoed by the impact.
Add to that the fact that "static discharge and gas" makes Trek shields unusable....(Trek II).
The weapons of Galactica would definitely cause havoc with the E's shields.

About speed. Trek ships don't fight at warp speeds. And there's never been an indication of how fast Colonial warships are at sublight speeds...not that I can remember anyway. Its just as likely they are as fast as sublight Trek ships.

Trek shields have been suceptible to kinetic events before. In the movie Inssurection, the shields of the lead Son'a ship are knocked down by igniting some gas in the Briar Patch nebula, yet they can withstand nukes? Not very consistent. And the second Son'a ship has it's shields knocked down by a piece of wreckage from the other ship moving a just a few hundered meters per second. That ship is either crippled or destryoed by the impact.
Add to that the fact that "static discharge and gas" makes Trek shields unusable....(Trek II).
The weapons of Galactica would definitely cause havoc with the E's shields.

About speed. Trek ships don't fight at warp speeds. And there's never been an indication of how fast Colonial warships are at sublight speeds...not that I can remember anyway. Its just as likely they are as fast as sublight Trek ships.

Hahah...Bunghole, I love it!

Looks like Lobotomy Man got served, thanks for the assist. :)

Based on the new JJ-Trek trailer, the Enterprise has point defense phasers and all. So STFU Galactica retards, JJ-Enterprise FTW! :D

Remember the original BSG had shields that was able to cover a planet and im sure with shields like that it could handle ST torpedoes. ST torpedoes would never even get close. BSG also had ships armed with comparable weapons like laser gun and the armour of Galactica which can resist to multiple nuclear warheads. I think the BSG could intercept ST photon torpedoes because they are missiles in fact. It would take at least 5 of ST ships to engage THE BattleStar Galactica she was built to last!!!!!!!!!! SO GO ON WITH YOU BAD SELF

I would disagree with the comment that E's shields could not handle kinetic energy, on many occasions we have seen issues with asteroids, etc. It is also specifically mentioned in 1 episode that "lasers" would not penetrate the standard navigational deflectors. Although this was referring to 1701 D it is again reasonable to assume even an earlier version of E would be able to handle higher levels of power.

And the nuke issue shouldn't even be an issue, antimatter explosions are far more powerful than nukes in terms of explosive power, and the effects of nuclear radiation can, to a certain extent, be counteracted by the medicine of Star Treks' era.

Since it is established that the E travels at far greater velocities it is reasonable to assume a greater sophistication in regards to armor. Being able to withstand the stresses of a higher rate of FTL travel would have a direct correlation to the overall amount of damage the armor can withstand.

As for the shuttles, I should point out that the E's shuttles have phasers and shields as well, the Raptors just have missiles.

Boy I have to tell you Starfleet junkies everything. A starship’s phasers have limited range so this dual would have to take place with photon torpedoes and missiles. As I stated before a starship cannot launch hundreds of torpedoes at once. These torpedoes do not have a follow the bad guy controls. Galactica is a larger ship but she is not a cumbersome luxury liner. The torpedoes that Starfleet uses are launched at sub light. Dradis will pick them up and then rip them to shreds with point defense batteries. Even if one makes it through the torpedo does not hit the ship it just gets close to it. A Battlestar is designed to take these hits. Now take a look at your starship. Imagine multiple mega-tons rang warheads exploding close to the shield. The ship will shake rattle and roll. Causing the reactor seals to buckle and give in thus giving us a warp core breach. Think a photon torpedo will yield about 60 megaton. Galatia’s ship to ship missiles yields 50 megaton, the only deference is on how they achieve critical mass.

Commander has no idea what he is talking about. When has rocking the ship ever cause a warp core breach? Photon torpedos have variable yeild, and can be much higher than 60 megatons. The 60 megaton figure comes from the non canon Next Generation Technical manual. Photons are sheilded as well. I seriously doubt the Galactica's missles are in the 50 megaton range. Most likely kilotons. Phasers have a range of at least 10s of kilometers. Face it, Galactica is beat.

Photons have not been shown to have megaton yeilds, not even in life or death battles. Nothing has indicated that Photons have sheilds to prevent them from being blown up. Hell, if Starfleet can build invicible torpedos with minature shield generators, then why can't they do the same with massive shield generators that protect the ships. Shielded torpedos is just fanboy wanking.

Phaser range, in the original series was never specified...perhaps in TNG, but this matchup is TOS. Trek battles are never fought at tens of kilometers. Matter of fact a lot of times it's a few hundred meters.

TOS Enterprise is succeptible to nuclear weapons as several episodes have shown. A mere 1.5KT missile would cause "severe damage" as spoken by Spock if it hit the hull. A nuclear device of unkown yeild disabled the ship(with the shields up) for a period of time in another episode, even though it detonated some distance from the hull.

Galactica has survived many, many nuclear hits and kept fighting without interruption.

Trek ships don't fight at warp either.

The only real advantage for the Enterprise is the transporters and that's assuming the hull of Galactica wouldn't cause a problem with their operation. During TOS the transporters were frequently inconsistent and even some types of minerals or ores would block them.

Another item that has just been shown on BSG is that it is possible to jump a small ship (at least) into a facility (or presumably another ship). Boomer jumped a Raptor into the Cylon colony (asteroid ship or whatever it is) on last fridays episode. If they were to jump a Raptor into and out of the Enterprise shuttlebay, the spatial distortion would "rip it's guts out" as Colonel Tighe put it.

Yes, photons are shielded, I never said they were invincible. Thats why they glow. Just watch the episode Rise and you will see megaton level power. In the episode Balance of Terror the Romulans use a nuclear warhead on the Enterprise and all it did was overload some circuitry. In the TOS episode Journey to Babel, the Enterprise opens up on the Orions while at warp at 75,000 kms. I haven't seen season 4 of BSG, but up till then it Galactica had only taken one nuke. It was almost destroyed in the battle of New Caprica by conventional missles. If they wanted to jump into the Enterprise's shuttle bay it would have to be in one place long enough for jump calculations to be made, wich would be about 20 minutes or so, that plan wouldnt work.

Sideswipe,

Which episode made the claim that TOS photons were shielded with a shield capable of preventing a weapon from destroying the torpedo? A canon source? No tech manuals, fan websites, or books....only filmed episodes count. Even if they had defensive shields, the generator would be small enough that a ship mounted phaser, disruptor, photon, or any other weapon would be able to cause enough damage to either destroy or deflect them. I don't recall the episode Rise being from TOS so it doesn't really apply here.

The Balance of Terror is my most favorite episode of any Trek, so yes I know it well. The nuclear warhead your'e refering to was of "unknown yield detonating less than 100 meters from the hull" (Spock's words). The warhead was designed for self-destruction of the Romulan ship which was a good bit smaller than the Enterprise. For such a job, the warhead would certainly not be in the megaton range...a few kiloton at best; yet this warhead, which didn't actually hit the Enterprise's hull, knocked the shields down and put the ship out of commission for a period of time while repairs were made. All the Romulan had to do at that point was decloak and launch another torpedo and the Enterprise would have been ashes since the warp drive was out. Imagine that, a small nuclear warhead, exploding a distance from the ship with shields up still has the ability to disable the warp drive system. And, add to that the fact that a 1.5 kiloton warhead would cause "severe damage" that the Enterprise could not repair herself, you have a ship that is very succeptible to small yeild nukes. Also, while the Enterprise fired while at warp 2 in that episode, they were actually firing at open space with a wide dispersion as opposed to actually targetting a ship. They were hoping to hit the ship by accident. Thats a lot different than precision work.

In Journey to Babel, the Enterprise was unable to hit the Orion ship. And the Orion ship, if I remember right, wasn't doing a real great job of damaging the Enterprise....it seemed like they had a diffucult time targeting the Enterprise with traveling at warp speed. Perhaps thats why they never fight at warp....because targetting sucks.

In "Exodus II" the Galactica was hit with about two dozen or so nuclear missiles. The same ones that the Cylons have used all along. The explosions are the same as the nuke hit from season one. And it wasn't nearly destroyed. They were able to repair the FTL drive in a matter of a couple of miutes when the Pegasus showed up and jump away. The damage to the hull and various systems was actually minor. There was no major damage that would require a repair dock or station. Whatever damage they had was repaired by damCon crews, except for on gun that has been destroyed since that battle.

Jump calculations have been made in seconds or just a few minutes. As far as the Enterprise moving, all they would have to do is calculate where the ship is going to be ten seconds in the future based on its current trajectory and speed. Make the jump at the appropriate point and your in. And since the Feds like to talk and parley, all Adama would really need to do is get them to talk turkey via ship-to-ship commm and jump the Raptor in while they are babbling away. Easy.

Omega is a retard. I will repeat, for the retard, the simple logic of:

If jumping ships into ships was anything more than a fluke Hail Mary move, it would be done all the time in the BSG universe. How can you be so utterly retarded as not to understand such simple concepts? Does your care giver have to help you breath too?

Another example of your obvious mental retardation: TOS episodes where E shoots planet surface with phasers. Indicator of range much? Huh? Retard much? Sheesh, there autta be a law...

Spock said nothing about the shields being down. He says this exactally, "Mainly overloads and circuit burnouts" Scotty even says that the phasers are still online. Dont accuse me of using information not in the episodes and then do it yourself by trying to guess what yeild the warhead is. Where is it ever said in TOS that the Enterprise's sheilds were more vulnerable to projectiles, its doubtfull that the simple chemicly propelled projectiles would have much of an effect on the shields. The explosions of the missles bieng fired at Galactica dont look anything like the nuke that was fires in the miniseries. No one says anything about nukes bieng fired and there were no radiological alarms sounded. Galatica would have been destroyed if pegasus hadnt arrived. They almost had decompressions on the port side and the manuvering thrusters were down. Amada knew he wasnt going to make it out of there alive, wich is why he said, "So, this is it." Bumgoman is right, I had forgotten about firing from orbit. I belive it was in "A Piece of the Action" Enterprise was able to stun a small group of people from orbit. Jump coordinates are not calculated quickly at all. Most of the time they have precalculated jump points for when they are attackes. Galactica's computers are less powerfull than my laptop, there is no way they would be able to calculate the tragectory the Enterprise was moving at warp, not to mention at impulse.

USS Enterprise can simply beam an anti-matter warhead (which is what is in her Photon torpedoes) and vaporize Galactica. No contest. Enterprise also can easily jam dradis, and the enterprise took a nuke easily in the balance of terror.

What everyone is forgetting here is why these magnificent ships exist in their worlds of fiction, and who leads them. They're ships designed to keep the peace and forward humanity's interests, so were they to somehow meet they would quickly establish common ground and combine resources to bring Galactica's civilian fleet to safety. Bill Adama and Jim Kirk would do their duty because it's who they are. Unfortunately for Galactica they arrive at Earth (Earth 2.0 as it turns out) a several thousands of years too early.

Well as well all know LASERS ARE USELESS against star trek ships, they are considered old technology star trek FTW

Hello!

Dear USSGoblin, Dave, your technical knowledge is tainted by selfaffirming Trek "physics"! Even if "beaming" would be possible, it is definitely IMPOSSIBLE to beam antimatter in whatever form, because "beaming" in the ST variant would "break" the magnetic "seal" antimatter needs. In your example, the warhead would detonate in your own transporter room, NOT on the G! The scene in ST:Voy, you seem to hint at, is pure rubbish!
As said more than once (from different people),ST physics are hobbled together to look good and are false in many areas.
Since last friday, the victory for the best FTL belongs to BSG, since "Daybreak" gave us a distance between the Colonies and our earth. roughly 1 MILLION Lightyears. The RTF and rebel Cylons traveled this distance in around 4-4,5 years. Warp drive can NOT match this. ST ships need a decade (under best circumstances) for a 10.000 Ly. travel. The Galactica traveled 1 million lightyears in 4 years.

Its been mentioned a few times about beaming shuttlecraft into the shuttlebay. Shuttles are powered by antimatter just like starships, so they have found a way to transport antimatter. It doesnt really matter how far Galactica traveled in 4 years in this debate. It has nothing to do with combat. Unless Galactica was running away. Dont talk about the physics in Star Trek when BSG isn't anymore plausible with its technology.

Hi Sideswipe, It does not matter, if it is a shuttle, a warhead or a "little pink ploink" that is beamed! The "Trekkie faction" is quite anal about "their" tech. The way they "beam" in ST breaks down any kind of sealing on AM. So instant "boom", if you beam Antimatter with ST transporters. Beaming functions by breaking down the object to it´s basic components. If AM is in the mix, it goes critical and "boom" at once. Anything other is a plot device.

Its a tv show not real life. If they can beam people without killing them they can beam anitmatter with out it blowing up. If they couldn't beam antimatter than they would try to beam shuttles into the shuttlebay.

Im not sure you can compare new battlestar to old star trek. The column starts off with two pictures; 1 of the old Enterprise & the old Galactica. Then the rest of the pictures are of the new Galactica, this hardly seems fair. I like both series but this column is bulls**t; so lets go to the latest Enterprise(E) compared with the latest Galactica (features are already listed above) However the author obviously hasnt seen advances such as quantum torpedos; a full spread(4) would take care of Galactica no problem. If they can take out a borg cube they can take out this small fry. Regenerative shields mean that weak nukes and puney fighters would never penetrate them, and ablative armor means that the hull is protected even with shields down. I think we'd know who the winner would be...

It´s really funny how "Eel-like" Trekkies get, when the other side has better arguments. Now comes the tv-show excuse, suddenly after we disected the "superior" physics and tech of ST.
By the way, dear Lee, you don´t really know what "ablative" means, right? This armor goes down a lot faster than that of a battlestar, because ot it´s working principle. Second, as much as the fanwankers deny it, a 60 MT photon/quantum torpedo has the same destructive power as a 60 MT missile from the G. But as i have seen more than once in this discussion, even the best arguments are useless when meeting "Trekkies", cause they live in their own world.

One of the real world problems with antimatter weapons is that the matter - antimatter annihlation reaction results mostly in gamma rays, which are moving too fast to really do much damage to the surrounding matter because they tend to pass straight through it, wheras nuclear devices release energy in the infrared (thermal) and x-ray spectrum, and do much more damage. It is one of the reasons why nuclear weapons are and always will be superior to AM weapons: easier to mass produce, easier to store, and far more destructive.

'dear' LOBO95 i know what it is thankyou so dont even try to partonize me with your low brow form of wit. I read the DS9 tech manual years ago. The principle is for it to bleed off into space when hit by energy weapons, taking the heat and energy with it. But it can take a heck of a beating. And ive seen how slow G 'missiles' are. If they ever managed to catch the ship in the first place, the ships computer would take them out with phasers long before they ever reached the shields anyway so the arguement of how powerful they are is mute.

Hi, dear Lee, ablative armor is a nice back-up, nothing more. e.g. the russian tanks still have full armor plating below their ablative "sheet". The Enterprise E has ablative armor, but no armor below it. So you can break through rather fast.

Take this scenario: The G has the range advantage of their space-fold FTL. How far can the "EE" scan? I´m nice and say 20 Ly. The Galactica jumps in from 25 Ly. to "point-blank" range, fires 1,2 broadsides with their gauss cannons and missiles and jump out. Since they are very near to the Enterprise, they even do damage by jumping out, since the folded space around Galactica rips at the hull of the Enterprise. Since it is a surprise attack (coming from beyond scanning range of the E), the shields are down, even if they would be up, the ST shields are weaker against kinetic forces (as seen many times) than energy attacks and the impact of dozens of Gauss shells and missiles will at least seriously damage the Enterprise. Repeat until the Enterprise E is toast. The Galactica (besides: If you want latest tech, you would have to compare the "EE" with the even tougher "Mercury-class" Battlestars like "Pegasus") can strike from anywhere, since their FTL make "hit-hard-and-jump" attacks easily possible. And Raptors with nukes can torment the crew of the Enterprise, like the Cylons did in "33".

You are assuming that the Enterprise will stay in one place long enough to let the Galactica jump in beside it? Where is it said that The Enterprise E only has ablative armor? Galactica does not have gauss cannons, the picture on this very webpage show's it when they compare the guns to the phasers. Magneticly propelled rounds would not have muzzle flashes like a chemicly propelled round would, and as far as I know it has never been stated in the show that they are anything more than chemicaly propelled. They are probably larger versions of the rounds that the Vipers fire. The simple chemicly propelled rounds that probably wouldn't even penetrate the navigational deflectors. Where has it ever been shown that Star Trek sheilds are weak against kinetic weapons, to say so is foolish because they would need to be sheilded against the micro meteors and crap floating around in space that would come in contact with the hull at warp speed. Nukes would be worthless against the Enterprise E as shown in Balance of Terror they had very little effect on the original Enterprise.

Hi, dear Sideswipe, first, Gauss cannons need a "cordite charge" to start the shell(the flash you see), then the magnetic accelerators take over. Second, ask Gary Hutzel from the CGI crew. He always said, the main batteries are railguns, a subtype of gauss weaponry.

About staying still: which part of jumping in from beyond scanning range of the E you don´t understand? A Battlestar has the first shot. This is not a long range battle like in normal ST. The G surprises the Enterprise, comes out really near, hits the unshielded Enterprise with dozens of missiles and gauss shells and jumps out before retaliation. The Enterprise would be destroyed outright, heavily damaged at a minimum! As said many times before, even shielded the Enterprise would get hurt heavily, because of the energies unleashed on the shields. A Battlestar broadside is the equivalent to being hit by several MT Nukes and dozens of high energy asteroids! This brings the shields down and damages a ST ship terribly! If not destroyed, the second broadside will kill surely.
What you Trekkies do not get is the strategic advantage of the BSG FTL! A Battlestar can choose when and where they fight. The ST ships are more nimble on sublight, true, but BSG ships can jump in from any direction even beyond scan range of ST sensors at will! And they can just jump out of range, if in danger. Even the best ST crew will get surprised one time by a jump in from BSG ships. And one is all it takes!
As Remydon, who seems to know more about physics than you do, said in his post: Nukes are "badder" than comparable AM weapons, due to simple physics!

About "Balance of Terror": The E has always "plotshields" in place. The Voyager is far more advanced than the old Enterprise, but in an episode which I don´t know the english title, The Voyager with it´s "superior" shields gets nearly destroyed by nukes!! Only a cease fire saves the ship!
Sideswipe, your perception is tainted by the false Trekkie physics! Kinetic energy in space is a real kicker! By the way, if the ST were so good, when was the last time they cruised full power through an asteroid field? Never! Because the kinetic force at such high speeds (even on sublight) brings your shields down faster then anything.
Your so "super" navi-deflector is just a high-tech "snow-prow". It cleans away simple debris. Even official ST sources admit, that aimed energy (kinetic or otherwise) punches through. ST glorifies it´s own tech!
Even the main shields have will come down, if energy impact is hard enough. What Trekkies just don´t get is: It does not matter which kind of energy hits the shields. Pound enough and they are down. Trek always underestimates the effects of kinetic attack!

I guess you dont know what you are talking about. Rail guns do not use charges to fire. And guass cannons are not a sub type of rail guns, they are coil guns. Where is it stated in a canon source that Galactica uses rail guns? You seem to forget that Galactica's computers are less powerfull than personal computers today and it takes a long time to calculate jump coordinates. It would be incredibly difficult to jump in to attack the Enterprise moving at impulse not to mention traveling at warp. No where in any canon sources will you find evidence that kinetic energy weapons are more effective against sheilds. The technical manuals are NOT canon sources. Only what is shown in the shows and movies. I cant comment on the voyager episode because I havent seen the episode, but the "plotsheilds" as you call them are complete bullshit and dont think that Galactica doesn't have them as well. You talk alot about real world physics but in you don't seem to realize that real asteroids in asteroids are miles and miles apart and cruising through one wouldnt be a problem. Not to mention Galactica's FTL would seem to be as magical as a transporter.

Dear Sideswipe, first let me say that you should read the sentences better! I wrote:... railguns, a subtype of gauss weaponry.(which is absolutely correct) Railguns ARE a subtype of gauss weapons! It is the operating principle!
By the way: All existing gauss/coil/railgun (call it what you want) prototypes start the shell with a "normal powder/cordite charge" to attain some starting speed, then the magnets take over!

What you overlook about the FTL, is that the calculations for the fleet takes this long, because the Galactica has to compile them alone for 70+ ships and a emergency jump calculation on top. As seen in battles like New Caprica, the Galactica alone and it´s Raptors can jump fast, often and with great precision! And we don´t even talk about the superior cylon FTL.
By the way: The Colonies had/have better comps than those on Galactica. Every flashback to the time before the Fall shows their high development. They went back techwise in the "Galactica-class" because the Cylons are so much better in comp-tech. You can´t corrupt something that is not there. The younger Pegasus for instance has much more high power computer tech again!

The extreme dependency on networked computers in ST would even be a disadvantage, cause the RTF has now Cylons on their side. Who could have much fun with corrupting the ST systems. In more than one episode we see how vulnerable the computers in ST are.
The working principle of the BSG FTL is the sound spacefold theory. We just don´t know at the moment how to make it work in reality. The ST transporter on the other hand, has even problems on the theoretical side.

The asteroids were a simple example about kinetic impact. I know about the denseness of most fields, so as you wish, take a space ship debris field. Ships do not fly through dense fields of any kind with high speed!
About the manuals: This is what I find always amusing. If something positive is stated in a manual, Trekkies say: "It´s as good as canon." If there is something in that a Trekkie does not like, it´s: "Manuals are not canon." Always trying to pick out the raisins!
And the "plotshields joke" is viable. How come that the Enterprise crew laughs about Lasers, then several episodes later other UFP combat ships get sliced like cheese by lasers? Plotshields are up!

Actually you're both wrong on the railgun topic. A railgun uses the intense magnetic field genrated when a conductive projecticle is placed between two rails when a strong electric current is running though them, hence the name "Rail Gun". The projectile is forced to slide up the rails at high speeds until it leaves the gun, the contact is broken and the magnetic field disappears. The incredible amount of friction generated between the projectile and the rails in conjuntion with the heat generated by the huge current required causes the outer layer of the slug to become molten, which can account for the fire you see in the recoil. Coil guns are another type of "gausse gun" that employs the same gaussian effect that drives rail guns, only the mechanics of how it operates are different, so Lobo is corect that a rail gun is a type of gausse gun.

@aanomis: Anti-matter does exist; CERN has made a little (very, very little, but still, this is the 21st Century; in 200 years, some progress could be expected). It's perfectly stable, too. Only when matter and anti-matter come into contact is there a release of energy. In Star Trek, anti-matter is suspended in a magnetic bottle (those exist now, too). It fuels the ships, as well as making big explosions in photon torpedoes.

And in order to destroy the Galactica, the Enterprise need only close to within 50,000 km and transport a photon torpedo inside the Galactica - preferably into the bridge, but pretty much anywhere would do.

Last point: I dropped Sci-Fi from my satellite feed when they changed to name to Syfy. Sounds like an STD.

(Enterprise would win. Why, probably because the crew of the Galactica is so fraked up that they can barely work together without constantly fraking or shooting a commanding officer or holding a mutiny or some other crap

i agree with isotek because the crew of the galactica has had so many breaches of security, their moral is horrible, and of course no shields, no chance im with the lucky e

soz i messed that up i ment to say that galatica has no chance the lucky e would win

Simple really. Chuck Norris would win.

Dear Old Man, please spare us the "beam a photontorpedo there or there"! As you correctly said, AM is contained in a "magnetic bottle". Beaming a la ST (break down the object to it´s basics)breaks the "magnetic seal of the bottle". So you blow up yourself! There is no beaming of AM possible! Any episode showing this is wrong.

Dear Remydon, nice to see someone who made it´s homework. The only addendum of mine, is: I know the different working principles of gauss weaponry, it´s just that as far as i know, "our" prototypes in this field use a standard charge to power the start. That the railguns of the G are far more developed is a given. Good work by you!

No one can argue one way or the other about whether or not it is possible to transport an AM warhead onto another ship, since the technology is not understood in any way. I am of the opinion that if the Enterprise's transporters are good enough to send a living thing through with everything perfectly intact, including the exact electrical patterns in its brain that compromise its exact state of conciousness at the point of transport, then beaming an intact magnetic bottle should be child's play. On the other hand, past experience tells us that the E has a hard time transporting through highly dense geological features. I can't think of anything much more dense than a starship hull thick enough to withstand a point blank nuclear blast and still take a beating for four years after with no dry dock for repairs. Just my two cents.

@ LOBO
From what I've seen of current systems, they don't really need a charge to start the acceleration. Comparing the acceleration of the magnetic fields to the added acceleration of expanding gases from a chemical charge, the difference in the final slug velocity would be negligible. I saw the Navy's prototype first hand back when I worked as a test engineer at thier facility in Virginia, and I don't recall the shells being anything more than solid slugs of nickel. Here's a youtube video of a test fire of that device. It has a couple of good shots of the slug. Note that the fire you see is not from a chemical reaction, it is the air literally igniting due to the incredible heat generated during firing.

No category for captain or actual tactical abilities of the captains? Bill's ruthlessness would totally get him another few points. They also have desperation on their side, which the Enterprise doesn't quite ever seem to hit so low. D: I would say low morale is not a problem for them but actually a positive.

No one can argue one way or the other about whether or not it is possible to transport an AM warhead onto another ship, since the technology is not understood in any way. I am of the opinion that if the Enterprise's transporters are good enough to send a living thing through with everything perfectly intact, including the exact electrical patterns in its brain that compromise its exact state of conciousness at the point of transport, then beaming an intact magnetic bottle should be child's play. On the other hand, past experience tells us that the E has a hard time transporting through highly dense geological features. I can't think of anything much more dense than a starship hull thick enough to withstand a point blank nuclear blast and still take a beating for four years after with no dry dock for repairs. Just my two cents.

@ LOBO
From what I've seen of current systems, they don't really need a charge to start the acceleration. Comparing the acceleration of the magnetic fields to the added acceleration of expanding gases from a chemical charge, the difference in the final slug velocity would be negligible. I saw the Navy's prototype first hand back when I worked as a test engineer at thier facility in Virginia, and I don't recall the shells being anything more than solid slugs of nickel. Here's a youtube video of a test fire of that device. It has a couple of good shots of the slug. Note that the fire you see is not from a chemical reaction, it is the air literally igniting due to the incredible heat generated during firing.

No one can argue one way or the other about whether or not it is possible to transport an AM warhead onto another ship, since the technology is not understood in any way. I am of the opinion that if the Enterprise's transporters are good enough to send a living thing through with everything perfectly intact, including the exact electrical patterns in its brain that compromise its exact state of conciousness at the point of transport, then beaming an intact magnetic bottle should be child's play. On the other hand, past experience tells us that the E has a hard time transporting through highly dense geological features. I can't think of anything much more dense than a starship hull thick enough to withstand a point blank nuclear blast and still take a beating for four years after with no dry dock for repairs. Just my two cents.

lol iw was about to say sometin bout chuck norris but deceided not to

I have much issue and disdain for many of the arguments in this nonsensical abomination of Logos. There are many good points but even greater frivolous and idiotic ones. And every one's grasp of modern theoretical physics is abhorrent for a community of science enthusiasts, fictional or not. It is inappropriate conduct to merely attack. As it is childish to change the rules at whim to give your side an advantage without applying the same limitations on ones own argument. The are some things that should be said.
BSG was an outstanding dramatically relevant series and although differed from its original has achieved a place in great science fiction all its own. Now the fact that BSG even exists is much to the credit of Star Trek or Gene Roddenberry's vision of a showed pitched as “Wagon Train” in space. Star Trek was not as advertised but altered the world's view of a possible future and inspired generations to be more. And as a result we have much of what we rely and covet in our daily lives thanks to Star Trek. Many world innovators site Star Trek as their inspiration. And while Star Trek told us were we were going BSG the original was more about were we might have been from but mostly who we are. It was in fact Lorne Greene that delivered the true “Wagon Train” in space promised. The new BSG again is an extension of the Star Trek Legacy. Just look at Ron Moore's curriculum vitae. He has more Trek in him than anyone Except for maybe the people that worked at The Star Trek the Experience for a decade. Apparently more BSG as well with all the upcoming shows. The modern BSG gave us a way to face the uncertainty of a mortal world that could be obliterated any moment in a new era of global violence, terror and the uncertainty we will ever again have a peaceful home were we can feel safe. That's what made it great. Not the killer toasters, bombshells, or the killer toaster bombshells. But the illustration of humanity at its best and worst. And how sometimes they are the same things.
Instead of asking why we all have so much time to pick through all these minute details of Sci-Fi maybe we should ask why does Ron have so much time to make it up. But seriously arguing over who's fantasy is more real, or what unreality is more powerful, is just a reflection of our own desires for oppositional confrontation, stemming from our inability to face and overcome our real challenges as a people. BSG has shown us a metaphor of how to deal with all the necessary evils that exist in our daily lives. Star Trek gives a hope that one day all that evil will not be so necessary. Both unrealities are very real aspects of our reality in the twenty first century.
Against Space Shuttle Enterprise OV-101 (I can take a ride and actually touch her), Aircraft Carrier USS Enterprise CVAN-65 (You can tour her decks and admire her bridge) or CV-6, or there predecessors, would not be fair. For while there are many ships named Enterprise there is no Battlestar Galactica. On land, sea or air BSG is fantasy, but The Enterprise has been carrying men through history for hundreds of years of adventure, conflict and exploration and will continue to do so beyond this world for hundreds of years to come(possibly with the VSS Enterprise ). It's not just a ship it's humanity's great Enterprise,
For those of us that need closure I offer a relative opinion based on a simple observation. Of the countless vessels of man, whether powered by wind and sail, fossil fuel combustion, radioisotope thermoelectric generators or nuclear fission reactors there has been a Defiant, a Constitution, a Voyager and dozens of ships named Enterprise.

Greetings Bunghole. Does my caregiver help me "breath"? English wasn't your strongpoint was it. I'm not to the point of a caregiver just yet, although I did turn 50 last year. Given the maturity level of your posts (you have the same MO over at the TBBS), you gotta be maybe 13 or 14 years old at best. Let's see, in thirty or so years, you would be old enough to be a caregiver....changing shittay diapers eh. Bet you could really dig that huh boy...
What was your point about phasers firing to the surface of a planet? That could indicate a range of a few hundred KMs to maybe a few thousand. ???? Not sure what your point is; but then you kids are a bit silly and sometimes kinda hard to follow. Maybe I'll ask my caregiver....gonna have to find one first I guess.

Sideswipe: True Spock didn't say the shields had been knocked down, but that makes it worse eh? Assuming the shields hadn't been knocked out, that means a nuclear explosion isn't affected by shields...sure you want to go there? As far as the yield, I was assuming that a self destruct device(dialog from the episode by the Romulan Commander himself) would be of a relatively low KT level since a city busting explosion isn't needed by any means to destroy a ship smaller than the Enterprise. Megaton levels certainly were not needed to destroy the Enterprise in Trek III were they.
The most telling evidence of kinetic impacts on shields comes from the movie, Insurection where ship debris moving at a few hundred meters per second almost totally destroys a 24th century Trek ship....a ship much more advanced than Kirk's Enterprise could ever hope to be.
I have watched the New Caprica battle several times in frame-by-frame mode and also zoomed in on various frames. The missile that hit the ship were extremely bright white explosions, just like the nuke in the mini-series. You might be mistaking the flak explosions for missile hits.
My question on computers is when exactly did they ever specify how powerful Colonial computers are? When was computing power ever mentioned?
Also, concerning range, I rewatched "Balance of Terror" and after Chekov calls out 75,000 KM, there is a 1.5 to 2 second delay before the phasers actually fire. Given the speed of alien scout ship at the time, that puts the actual phaser shot a point blank range....literally right on top of the Enterprise. If you want to include that incident as an indication of range, now you have to make an assumption on the speed of the raider and then figure out how much the range had closed before the shot. He had dropped to "near sublight" some seconds before, but no further mention was made. Hence, that example of range invloves a tremendous amount of assumption not supported by the episode.
When did they ever beam a shuttle into a shuttlebay? What episode?

USSGoblin: The Enterprise was never shown to jam anyone's targeting computers...more fanboy assumptions. The small nuke the Enterprise "took" in BOT knocked the ship out of action for some time. The Bird of Prey could have killed the Enterprise at that point with more torpedo launches but they hesitated until the E had repaired its systems.

Lee: The new BSG isn't anymore advanced than the old BSG...but the new Treks are magical(and full of technobabble) compared to TOS. That alone is reason enough to limit the discussion to TOS. I have no doubt that 24th century Trek ships could beat the Galactica, although they are very succeptible to kinetic attacks as shown onscreen.
Also, Trek's photorps are have been shown to be just as slow as the missiles in BSG. If Trek ships cannot shoot down torpedos, then they won't be shooting down missiles.

^^^^That last comment was written by me. Seemed to have forgot to put the name in. Gonna have to get my cargiver to do it.

Dagnabit...these confounded electronic thingys.. Ma..get me my gun.

I just watched resurrection ship again and then watched star trek’s “q who” and I’m convinced big g would kick enterprise’s butt. Most battles the enterprise fought was somewhat lop sided. Even the e model enterprise could not handle Galactica. To me it would be like the bb 62 going up against an Arleigh burke class destroyer. The burke would do some damage but the new jersey would pretty much blast burke to shreads

Wow! There are other people who have actually got this far through the thread!

A bit of topic but: Can anybody explain why a ship full of trained militarily career minded folk, didn't think of strapping a nuke to an FTL drive set to jump and explode a set distance directly ahead of the BSG and spitting it out through a launch tube?
It just seems and obvious first strike adaptation of tech that was portrayed in the show. Didn't one of the raptors sent to rescue the caprica resistance fighters jump to the *inside* of a hill?

Anyway back to the topic:
As much as I enjoy the transposition of current military thinking show in the BSG universe; speed, agility and control will always beat raw fire power.
The big E just has a better speed/agility/control combo.
As an historical example look at how Napoleon beat most of Europe by moving his (usually smaller) army with greater speed to hit where his force could do the most damage without taking many casualties. For the most part, he controled where, when, and who he fought.
As soon as he stopped doing this, even though he was commanding bigger armies, he got creamed.
I'm sure there are other better examples.

But hey, this is all fiction, go as far as your suspended disbelief will let you.

For the most part an FTL drive would be too cumbersome to fit inside a small missile. Galactica could intercept these FTL equipped missile after the jump any way. Don’t know why people think enterprise is more maneuverable then Galactica? Even though enterprise is puny this does not equate to maneuverability. Take in point the F-14 tom cat against the MIG 21. As I stated before the enterprise has a small arch of fire where as big g has a wider arch. So even though enterprise is smaller she would always be in the line of fire.

I have used physics to calculate many aspects of a battle. The information I have gathered came from different sources through the internet, deep space nine technical manual along with the movies and show visual effects. Ok first lets lay down some guide lines for this fight. They can use any conventional methods that they would normally use for a combat attack; they can not run and must stay to the end. The means to damage the opposing ship must come from defence systems and not by other means.

Next let’s take the 40 year old Galactica out of the equation and stick in a Mercury Class Battlestar such as the Pegasus. We will also use a Sovereign class star ship such as the Enterprise-E for the Federation.

Let’s look at the rolls of each ship, the sovereign class is an exploratory/combat vessel while the Battlestar is a Military capital battle ship/carrier. The federation ship is only 685 meters in length, 240 meters wide and 88 meters high, has a crew of 700 and is armed with Phaser arrays along with photon and quantum torpedoes, this ship uses extreme amounts of energy for its systems and sub systems. The Sovereign is a combat vessel with exploratory and long duration technology. The Battlestar is 1,652 meters in length, 678 meters wide and 331 meters high. The Battlestar has primary and point-defence kinetic energy weapons, Main prow rail gun battery’s, conventional missiles, nuclear warheads, Vipers (200), Raptors (20). The numbers to crew a Mercury class Battlestar range from 2000-3000. The Battlestar is designed so it can stay in a fight even if parts of the ship are non functioning, such as the engines or main power. It is true that the sovereign has the technology advantage but we can’t forget about the physics involved.

The Mercury Class Battlestar has 30 twin linked hull mounted electromagnetic kinetic energy weapons and 4 prow rail guns and 300 point defence turrets. If we use the formula kinetic energy =1/2mv^2, the mass of a shell is 400Kg and we know they travel at 1/4 the speed of light 74.9x10^6 m/s, so it comes out to 268 megatons per hull battery, each battery can reload in 5 seconds, while the Prow rail guns lob shells the size of a midsized car(1200Kg)that travel around 1/2 the speed of light, 3213 megatons per shell with the main rail gun battery. The distinct advantage the rail gun’s have is that they release the whole amount of energy, a pushing force rather than a radius explosion, this enables them to do much more damage than a conventional explosion. The one downside with Kinetic Energy Weapons is the ammunition, once out it has no main offensive or defensive weapon, although it still has vipers, raptors and missiles.

The Sovereign class has 16 Phaser banks, each section of the ship has its own capacitor that can hold 1.76x10^18J and takes 5 seconds to drain at full power output by one Phaser and 1.67 seconds to charge to full power, so the energy output is 84 megatons per second. A standard Photon Torpedo would produce 64 megatons = 2.682x10^17J and the quantum torpedo would produce double the energy output 128 megatons, The figure from the Star Trek deep space nine technical manual is 25 isotones = to 64 megatons (remember it is a projectile traveling at about 1/4 the speed of light with a weight of 186.7 kg) = 5.23x10^17J = 124 megatons so the total value of a photon torpedo would be 189 megatons and a quantum torpedo would be 253 Megatons. With 1 megaton being equal to 4.19 x 10^15J. The main benefit from phaser fire is that as long as the ship has power it has an unlimited supply. The phaser’s primary purpose is to disable energy shielding, while the torpedo’s main purpose is to penetrate the hull and explode inside of the ship causing hull breaches and large amounts of damage to systems.

The defensive systems found on each ship are very different, each design is unique and both systems being very effective at there rolls. The Battlestar uses heavy armour plating with multiple hull levels coupled with the mass of the ship, these vessels can take large amounts of damage before her structure fails. Another great feature are the way Battlestars are designed, most of the critical components are deep within the ship and only some sensors and weaponry are located on the surface, the Battlestar is heavily reinforced to protect the super structure during a nuclear attack and during jumps, both of these cause massive torsion and stress on the ship.
The federation ship has many defensive systems, these include 26 shield generators and armour along the hull. The phaser system can target many objects at once, eliminating the need for defensive flack. The downside to the heavy shielding is the amount of energy required to power them. We know that if the ship takes to much damage or the output is too great the core could overload and the ship could be lost. The total shield strength for the Sovereign is calculated to be approximately 25,200 Megatons.

The Battle Begins
The Sovereign warps into scanning range of the mercury class Battlestar and continues on impulse. The Battlestar detects the unknown ship closing and sounds Action stations. The mercury launches 2 wings of vipers and opens up with a flack barrage. Phaser and torpedo fire is targeted at the massive Battlestar. The phaser fire impacts the hull turning the targeted outer armour plating into a molten mess. The torpedo fire would pass right through the flack barrage. The impact of the photon torpedoes against the Mercury would be devastating, the whipple sheild design would prevent a massive hull breach but the torpedo would still inflict damage on the armour plated hull. The vipers would engage the federation ship but have no effect, the cannon shells of the vipers do not pack enough of a punch to do the damage needed against the shields. The federation ship would then target the vipers individually with phaser fire and obliterate them. The Mercury would realise something was different with this enemy, the vipers are being lost at an extraordinary rate. The mercury would switch to salvo fire and recall all the vipers to prevent increasing losses. The targeting computers on the Battlestar would have to compensate for the speed and manoeuvrability of the federation vessel, but this would be hit and miss style of fighting, depending on the angle velocity and trajectory of the star ship, this would determine how many shells impact the federation ship. The shells that impact the sovereign’s shields would be devastating each with enough energy to deplete them by 1.1%. The Battlestar has many rail gun batteries all lobbing two new shells every 5 seconds. If the sovereign class makes a mistake and gets in front of the Battlestar the main rail guns would devastate the federation ship. Each shell would cripple the shield strength by 12.75% but this us unlikely because of the speed and manoeuvrability of the star ship. The Battlestar has a huge advantage in a battle like this, its size and mass. The design of this ship is brilliant, the CIC is located in the centre of the ship away from the upper hull, its meant to take massive damage and stay in the fight. The downfall of the sovereign class is the small mass and armour plating, the shields are spectacular but once down the ship will fall, each shell from the Battlestar would pass right through sovereign.

This fight would come down to the commanders and tactics with a hint of luck. If the sovereign could out manoeuvre the Battlestar and specifically target the rail gun batteries it might have a chance. But if the Battlestar could use its high roll rate to change the target path of the phaser fire, its hull could absorb the damage.

In my opinion this fight would end with the Sovereign being torn apart by rail gun shells, penetrating the hull and ripping it in two. By the end the Battlestar would have taken some serious damage, many of the rail gun batteries would be destroyed or crippled. The main hull would be pock marked by torpedo craters, but the main structure of the Battlestar would still be intact. After extensive repair and a few weeks in dry dock the Battlestar would be ready for a whole new battle.

Over all the best combat ship would be the Mercury class Battlestar, but remember it is a warship specifically designed for a fight while the Sovereign class is a combat vessel with exploratory and long duration technology.

If you have any questions please feel free to comment.

A few problems? The Battlestar’s torrents have 360 deg range of motion. How would a Sovereign class ship out maneuver them? As far as photon and quantum they are not shielded they would never make it through the flak field. The farther they go the less yield they have because they use part of the their reactant to fuel their engines

Yes the Battlestar turrets have a range of motion (the older Battlestars 180 degrees). the whole ship is covered with them. The sides of the ship are where most of the batteries are concentrated on the mercury class, in the centre crease that separate the top and bottom of the ship. This is used for protection, its a lot harder to hit something in a canyon then on the surface. When the ship is rotating its hard to target something in such a small area. The downside was that it did not have the same 3 dimensional area it could cover. The new Mercury has only a 60 degree firing angle out each side.

(History of the Battlestar) the original Columbia class Battlestars had the batteries clustered on the dorsal and ventral sides of the ship, right out in the open. The Cylon fighters would target them with missile and gunfire, eliminating them. The Battlestar could then no longer use the flack barrage to destroy the incoming missiles and would be easy to eliminate with missile fire. The vipers were used to stop this type of attack but the overwhelming numbers of Cylon craft outnumbered the vipers and this fate was common among older Battlestars. That is why the new Battlestars have their gun batteries protected.

The sovereign could out maneuver the incoming shells if it was traveling in the same direction and pulled a split S. It takes time for a shell to reach the approximated destination. To hit the Sovereign we would have to calculate where we think the sovereign would end up if it stays on the same trajectory and speed for the approximated time and how long it would take the shell to reach the target. This meaning that if we fire the shell and it would take 8 seconds for it to reach the sovereign, the ship might turn and the shell would miss the target. We are calculating that the ship will not change course in the time needed for the shell to hit its target.

The Photon torpedoes do have individual shielding, it was stated in the episode half life, in the fourth season of next generation that “photon torpedoes have shields of their own.” (4th bullet second line in background)
It just makes sense that if a torpedo can be fired at warp speed, the dust and debris in space would rip it apart due to the force of collision, thus needs some sort of protection. I did know

Yes the Battlestar turrets have a range of motion (the older Battlestars 180 degrees). the whole ship is covered with them. The sides of the ship are where most of the batteries are concentrated on the mercury class, in the centre crease that separate the top and bottom of the ship. This is used for protection, its a lot harder to hit something in a canyon then on the surface. When the ship is rotating its hard to target something in such a small area. The downside was that it did not have the same 3 dimensional area it could cover. The new Mercury has only a 60 degree firing angle out each side.

(History of the Battlestar) the original Columbia class Battlestars had the batteries clustered on the dorsal and ventral sides of the ship, right out in the open. The Cylon fighters would target them with missile and gunfire, eliminating them. The Battlestar could then no longer use the flack barrage to destroy the incoming missiles and would be easy to eliminate with missile fire. The vipers were used to stop this type of attack but the overwhelming numbers of Cylon craft outnumbered the vipers and this fate was common among older Battlestars. That is why the new Battlestars have their gun batteries protected.

The sovereign could out maneuver the incoming shells if it was traveling in the same direction and pulled a split S. It takes time for a shell to reach the approximated destination. To hit the Sovereign we would have to calculate where we think the sovereign would end up if it stays on the same trajectory and speed for the approximated time and how long it would take the shell to reach the target. This meaning that if we fire the shell and it would take 8 seconds for it to reach the sovereign, the ship might turn and the shell would miss the target. We are calculating that the ship will not change course in the time needed for the shell to hit its target.

The Photon torpedoes do have individual shielding, it was stated in the episode half life, in the fourth season of next generation that “photon torpedoes have shields of their own.” (4th bullet second line in background)
It just makes sense that if a torpedo can be fired at warp speed, the dust and debris in space would rip it apart due to the force of collision, thus needs some sort of protection. I did know

Yes the Battlestar turrets have a range of motion (the older Battlestars 180 degrees). the whole ship is covered with them. The sides of the ship are where most of the batteries are concentrated on the mercury class, in the centre crease that separate the top and bottom of the ship. This is used for protection, its a lot harder to hit something in a canyon then on the surface. When the ship is rotating its hard to target something in such a small area. The downside was that it did not have the same 3 dimensional area it could cover. The new Mercury has only a 60 degree firing angle out each side.

(History of the Battlestar) the original Columbia class Battlestars had the batteries clustered on the dorsal and ventral sides of the ship, right out in the open. The Cylon fighters would target them with missile and gunfire, eliminating them. The Battlestar could then no longer use the flack barrage to destroy the incoming missiles and would be easy to eliminate with missile fire. The vipers were used to stop this type of attack but the overwhelming numbers of Cylon craft outnumbered the vipers and this fate was common among older Battlestars. That is why the new Battlestars have their gun batteries protected.

The sovereign could out maneuver the incoming shells if it was traveling in the same direction and pulled a split S. It takes time for a shell to reach the approximated destination. To hit the Sovereign we would have to calculate where we think the sovereign would end up if it stays on the same trajectory and speed for the approximated time and how long it would take the shell to reach the target. This meaning that if we fire the shell and it would take 8 seconds for it to reach the sovereign, the ship might turn and the shell would miss the target. We are calculating that the ship will not change course in the time needed for the shell to hit its target.

The Photon torpedoes do have individual shielding, it was stated in the episode half life, in the fourth season of next generation that “photon torpedoes have shields of their own.” (4th bullet second line in background)
It just makes sense that if a torpedo can be fired at warp speed, the dust and debris in space would rip it apart due to the force of collision, thus needs some sort of protection. I did know

Sorry for the 3 consecutive posts, it said it was failing and did not update my posts, so I tried 3 times.

I think Adama would use the FTL'S on the Galactica and jump the armored ship into the enterprise before they knew what hit them and marines would be aboard to take rest of ship in short time when out gunned use witts just like the 300 spartans against the persians

As TheDragonsGrim said, Pegasus would win. The energy that they produce is a lot more that anything Star Trek has. In reality, Star Trek has a lot of errors in it's tech as mentioned in a Star Wars forum. FTL's is faster than warp. Battlestar can actually JUMP anywhere in the Universe but they also requires a landing spot without an object in the way.

The Shield theory is a crazy one. First, shields cannot be a 1 way street. If the Enterprise was to shoot a torpedo with it's Shield up, it would explode when it hits the edge. The Phasers would also do the same as a shield is just like an Egg Shell. Not to mention the amount of Energy that is required to produce a shield that large is kinda silly idea but I guess they need them to be cool. I do recall that the Original BSG had Shields and lasers. Yuck.

People always say "but the enterprise could just transport the Photon TP into galactica" Well why have they never tried that with anyone else? It's to chump like fighting.

Also Raptors can jump and could jump inside of the shields and launch their Nukes and good bye Enterprise.

Galactica is much larger than Enterprise and the Pegasus is Much larger that Galactica..

In my own opinion, I don't think they would ever fight if ever meeting. Both are wantiing peace and then both could fight who ever.

Pegasus would even put a big hurtin on the Borg because they can't seem to protect themselves against kinetic energy weapons or real bullets.

One comment out of sequence: "95% of the time you come home when Jim Kirk is at the helm" ... As long as you're in Medical, Science, Navigation, or Command ... Engineers and Security had MUCH worse odds (you can't really believe it was all SHIRT COLORS ???)

As for the "match", Kirk eyeballs Spock and Scotty ("Can you please deal with this rube?"), who leave the bridge and devise a short-lived (say 8-seconds) magnetic bottle, taking five of those seconds to fill it with a troy ounce of antimatter and transport it to the center of Galactica's CIC ... Adama has just enough time to say, "And just WHAT the FRAK is tha..."

Bottle opens ... Bright light ... big boom for the microsecond that air still exists around the region of anhillation ...

Game over ... Enterprise wins. Confused and orphanned Raptors and Vipers commit mass suicide one-by-one by attempting to land in Enterprise's shuttlecraft bay (anybody remember just how small that is?).

Kirk gloats for the few minutes it was worth ... Adama can't even be reached by seance through a Priestess of Pithia. Awww....

Hello!

Dear Championeternal, what is it with Trekkies and beaming Antimatter? It just is not possible. As I (and others) said many times before: The way ST beaming works, negates the magnetic bottle around Antimatter and the AM goes "boom" on your own ship! And please spare us the: They have beaming, so they have the tech to seal AM through beaming. This is just fanwank. Just because you have tech A, you DON´T have tech B automatically.
A real life exsample: The US can build stealth bombers, which is a high-tech application. But the US has nothing (not even on the drawing boards) that can compete with the high speed trains of France, Germany and Japan, which are high-tech, too. All 4 nations above have the capacity to build an enormous range of high-tech products, but it does not give them access to all tech without research.
Back to ST/BSG: Having one application does not mean you have a specific other, too. And as said by TheDragonGrim (great article, by the way) and others, ST ships fight battles mostly against inferior and/or handicaped foes and would loose against a real challenge like a battlestar.

I'd warp in, beam a photon torpedo into the unshielded Galactica's command center, take my 5 seconds of punishment, warp out of range, and watch the Galactica's spine snap in half. End of fight.

Dear Lobo ...

You're howling in the wrong direction. Far be it from me to argue the physics of an alternate reality ... I prefer to observe rather than spend my time arguing why what I saw couldn't have been.

Fiction goes down much better thatr way ... you ought to try it.

As for the observation: In the episode entitled "Obsession" (about halfway through the second year) Kirk kills a "vampiric cloud creature" by beaming a "matter/antimatter" bomb to the surface of a planet where the creature is and, eventually, setting it off and destroying said creature. With the given attributes of Star Trekian antimatter (otherwise pretty generic matter with antiprotons and positrons), the "matter" part of the bomb was just window dressing ... the bomb was simply and essentially an antimatter-containment device, preventing contact with 'normal' matter.

Didn't blow up in the transporter ... I guess they read different books. Better watch out or you'll get demoted to 'coyote'.

Okay, I'm a big fan of both shows, but seriously, these judgements are ridiculous. I'm not shocked, of course, that a SciFi Channel writer would gussy up BSG to be the bigger threat. Some of the statements below have probably been already made, but I just have to chime in.

Point 1 - Phasers. Umm...doesn't the whole "cuts up unshielded ships like Galactica" negate the entire rest of the argument? You've pretty much stated Galactica's toast from the get-go. Phasers target at the speed of light. Which means shots would be fired before any PDS came into play.

Point 2 - There's no definitive answer on the yield of BSG nukes, but seeing as Ron Moore was big on making the tech realistic, bear in mind the largest nuke ever constructed (and not employable on a missile by a long shot) had an estimated yield of 500 megatons. A photon torpedo, calculated from canon sources, has a maximum theoretical yield calculated in hundreds of GIGATONS. Furthermore, on its best day in the series, Galactica had 7 nukes. The Enterprise, also based on series dialogue, had at least six LAUNCHERS, and the combined arsenal was described as being powerful enough to destroy the surface of an entire planet. I'd like to see Galactica handle that.

Point 3 - Sensors. Umm...the whole argument that Star Trek sensors are unrealistic is silly. I mean, c'mon, you're talking about Treknology; you could make the same argument for warp drive, photon torpedoes, transporters, etc, etc. When doing a comparison like this in the first place, you are giving the implication that all the technology you refer to is possible. You've already stated Enterprise's sensors are better, so end of that argument.

Point 4 - Shuttles vs. Vipers. Well, yeah, you're comparing the equivalent of a Raptor to a Viper, so not really much of a comparison, is it? The Enterprise has never been shown to send shuttles into a battle, so the only thing the Vipers could shoot at is the Enterprise, and they're really not equipped for that, which takes them out of the fight.

Point 5 - No need to argue the engines. This part you actually did get right.

Point 6 - Transporters. This argument is more for the naysaying comments: First, based on dialogue, the Enterprise has "alternate shielding" that permits the use of transporters while up; they just can't use their phasers when this shielding is up. Second, the whole "beaming antimatter into the CIC" argument is irrelevant when you could, say, beam a large container of chlorine into the CIC to choke out the command crew, or just start beaming critical parts of Galactica into space (you don't see this done on Star Trek because enemy ships have protection against transporters).

Point 7 - Shielding: Star Trek ships use these nifty things called deflectors. These are used to prevent collisions with solid objects while at high speeds, to include the superluminal warp speeds. So considering these things block objects at speeds in excess the speed of light, they really don't have issues with standard projectile weapons. In BSG's defense, deflectors are generally forward-facing, not omnidirectional, but a sneak attack on the Enterprise's rear or side quarter would require a raptor to jump in AND out undetected to notify Galactica of the Enterprise's current position, and this would still only give them a momentary advantage. This is completely ignoring the Enterprise's normal shields as well. As for point defense cannons/flak, phasers have been able to pinpoint destroy objects on a planet's surface from space; in other words, if they can overcome the dissipating effects of atmosphere, do you really think flak is going to be an issue?

Enterprise wins. Not because I like one ship over the other; I think BSG is more badass. But you can't compare the two because they were conceived with two completely separate ideas in mind. The Enterprise was designed to be the toughest ship on the block that you sent in to save the day when no one else could. The Galactica was an old warhorse put out to pasture who was sent in to save its and the fleet's ass because no one else was available. The Enterprise would win hands down, but I'd probably be rooting for Galactica all the way.

heres one for you cylons send in skin jobs link into starfleet cylon baseships and raiders come in shut all power down to federation ships and destroy them and earth. cylon win

Aren't they kind of on the same side?
I want to see:
Galactica vs Romulans
TNG vs Cylons
old Starbuck vs Riker on Risa
Borg vs Galactica or Cylons

As long as they fight it out in the black,
Serenity slips by...

I think Galactica vs Star Destroyer would be a much better and more equal contest. That having been said:

If you put the Galactica against Kirk's Enterprise, you have to look at several different factors:.

1st, they're both good guys, so they'll try to keep the deaths to a minimum (though if it comes down to it, Adama will get the drop on Kirk as far as pulling the trigger.)

2nd, if it comes down to two fully functional ships with trained and capable personnel, Enterprise will win, hands down. Kirk may not be the war dog Adama is, but he's certainly no slouch. Some people may not loke Star Trek tech, but it's been established in canon and we have to go with the canon of BOTH shows.

What would probably happen is they see each other in space and there's a misunderstanding. Galactica sees a smaller ship and launches the CAP and support ships. Enterprise sees Galactica's weapons coming up and charts the energy levels and types of weapons on the ship. It's been established in canon that kinetic energy weapons and nuclear weapons pose little threat to a federation starship with its shields up. The Vipers would harrass the Enterprise; perhaps firing ineffectively and one or two may bounce off the shields and maybe explode. Whatever the reason, Galactica opens up on Enterprise and Kirk decides enough is enough and - since Galactica has no shields - does the smart thing beams the entire command staff off the ship using the cargo transporter (in canon, capable of handling groups of people 0 although this is more a move Picard would make, I think.) At the same time, he can beam a security detail to the command deck. They can set up portable shield generators to keep people out and the ship's taken without firing a shot. Prior to that, Kirk may have showed off dodging fire at warp speed just to let Adama know.

Once onboard, Kirk can broker a truce with Adama (who lies about it) and the Galactica crew breaks out and they steal a shuttle to get back.

This gives Adama time to get crazy-prepared and he gets together a plan to jump two Raptors inside their shields (if the ship's stationary, no reason they couldn't do it), attach two to the saucer, move down to the engines and jump out next to them. Remember the damage Boomer caused when she jumped inside the hanger bay? Same thing. Then Adama can threaten Enterprise with the nukes on the hul...which can be jammed or beamed off, etc... This can go back and forth with each side claiming a victory due to strategy or technology.

I like both series. So I say again, do Galactica vs Star Destroyer instead for a better matchup.

All in all, I prefer imagining ST TNG and BG Reimagined. Given Picard's "evolved sense of morality" and the weariness of the Galactica Fleet's trek (no pun intended), both ship captains would negotiate. A diplomatic match up with Picard and Adama would be nice to see. Or seeing Tigh and Riker discussing military service over some drinks. One note about the engines, I think the Galactica could jump and the Enterprise would have a hell of time tracking them, because I don't think FTL drives leave a warp signature. If you want battle, then put the Borg up against the Cylons (while they had resurrection). Borg keeps assimilating, the skinjobs keeps resurrecting.

First Instalment: Your right, Phasers would cut Galactica to ribbons!
Your wrong, Kenetic energy weapons would have no chance of penetratinng a Constitution class shields! It would be like shooting arrows at the hull of the starships name sake Old Ironsides; it would be pointless.

Second Installment: Your right! Photon torpedo at low yield would take out a sizable chunk of a Battlestar. At maximum yeild it the resulting explosion would as in your words "blow off whole chunks" of the colonial fleet.
Your wrong! In the ST/TOS episode "Balance of Terror" a nuclear bomb of high megatonnage was detinated by the Enterprise phasers less than 100 yards of the ships bow. Although they were tossed around a bit, and a few crew members suffered minor radiation burns from outer areas of the ship, the shields held with no decrease in power, and the enterprise suuffered no appreciable damage. In other episodes the Enterprise blew away approaching missiles before they could get anywhere near the ship. In one such case the missile was armed with a thermal nuclear warhead. Kirk and the crew dispatched them with relative ease, and little concern. Truth is, conventional rocket engines or even nuclear powered ones, are no match for projected energy weapons. Finally, why waste energy in shields or weapons when Enterprise could simply out maneuver or out run anything coming her way. Using conventional nuclear weapons against a Constitution class starship is an act of the desperate and or ignorant!

Lobo, happy Lobo, so comical is his retardation. I know it is wrong to laugh, but it is my flaw. I laugh at the retarded. HAHAHAHAHA!

Me Lobo Retard. Me repeat like retard I am...no beam antimatter...like it is magic phrase that give me power. Me no understand that all other technology in both shows is retarded. Me no understand that to argue as I do, I just am retarded and make others go Ha Ha Ha Ha. Me Lobo. Me retard.

OK the screw up here was with sensors versus dradis. You guys got this one 100% wrong.

take all the other categories. Add 10 new categories. GIVE THEM ALL TO BSG or Star Wars.

Make is to SW and BSG WIN in any category you can think of except sensors and ST still wins.

When it comes to the battlefield intelligence. Field Vision is king. short of total imcompetance or pure dumb luck battle field access wins 100% of the time.

Whoever owns the field owns the battle. Period. End of discussion. If you do not agree with or understand this concept you simply have no clue as to what warfare is.

They got it wrong because of one single major missing piece.

Light Lag. Done Bsg loses SW loses. Every time.

you see BSG and SW are both limited by light lag. They can both fly there ships faster than light and they can both communicate faster than light (I think BSG can do this??)

but both of them uses light speed SENSOR tech.

Star Trek does not.

Let me give you an example. If the sun were to go boom right now. what would we see? what would Star Wars see? what would BSG see?

Nothing. it would take a minimum of 8 minutes before the light image of the sun going boom GOT here to earth so it would also take 8 minutes minimum before Earth BSG or SW KNEW anything had happened.

In Star Trek this is not the case. They would SEE the sun AS it built up to explosion they would SEE it explode in "real time"

They would have a full 8 minutes advanced notice to decide what to do (thats how long it takes to go 1AU at the speed of light)

The same applies in a battle situation.

Imagine this scenario. I warp in 10 light seconds from galactica. Fire a torpedo at .9c and warp 2 light seconds onto the other side of galactica.

Assuming dradis is in active mode in 2 seconds galactica will see me. While they are wondering where did that small runabout come from and open a channel 5 seconds later the torpedo rips through galatica without them ever having even seen it. You see any "return" from the torpedo (dradis or visual) would GET to galatica at the same time the torpedo does (ok not quite but we are talking miliseconds here)

The first warning they would have that they were under attack would be the torpedo slamming into there hull.

This is reality folks. Superluminal Sensor tech means ST wins every single engagement. Its simply impossible for galatica to even conduct battle operations. They will never even SEE my ship if I do not want them to. all I have to do is stay a few light seconds out from galactica and move before my sensor return data reaches galactica. the only think they will ever see is where I WAS 10 seconds ago and am no longer.

this does not even consider firing torpedo's FROM WARP (which we know they can do even as early as the original motion picture) and I am pretty sure they did it a few times in TOS as well.

Give me a warp capable runabout with phasers and torpedo's and I can defeat ANY and I mean ANY vessel from BSG or Starwars all the way up to super SD's and Death Stars.

There is simply no possible way (again short of incompetence and dumb luck) for me to lose.

Fit Enterprise with BSG CLASS WEAPONS and they still win EVERY TIME.

you simply can not compete with the light lag. I punch it up to .9c drop a nuke. BSG is gone. that nuke will hit them without ANY warning at all. to them it will be as if the nuke came out of NO WHERE and impacted the hull instantly.

this is why those ships have to get SO DAMNED CLOSE to fight. not only because it looks awesome on screen but its REQUIRED in order to reduce the light lag to a level that is manageable.

On a planet where light can circle the globe 7 times in one seconds WE HAVE real time vision in battles. in space with a warp capable vessel and super luminal sensors. The MOMENT and I mean the moment I realized BSG had light lag limitations the first thing I would do is warp 5 light seconds out.

Jump around to 5 points around BSG at 4-5 light seconds and then simply transmit Surrender or Else.

I would not even have to fire a shot. Adama is no fool he would realize instantly he has no chance in such an engagement. None whatsoever.

he only shot would be to surrender and hope he can engage us hand to hand when we approach. I off course would not approach without backup :-)

First thing I would do is beam adama to my bridge after removing or disabling his weapons.

I think that little demonstration would end any thought of conflict pretty quickly

this also ignores that ST and BSG would never get into a fight. there both good guys. but we are just comparing tech.

The force in SW is useless. you have to KNOW you are under attach to even be aware you need to USE the force. We have also never seen "the force" used at a distance and certainly not light seconds distance.

Just for comparison, let us see what a 200 year gap in (human) technology looks like:
Take the HMS Victory (103 cannon sailing warship at the beginning of the 19th century) and pit it against the USS Iowa (modern US steel-hulled battleship). The result would be almost comical (lots and lots of splinters). There cannot possibly be a valid comparison between the strengths of the Enterprise and the Galactica because the Galactica is 200+ years inferior!

And to everyone arguing over physics:
Star Trek physics is laughably bad. 1.) It would be incredibly difficult to hold a quantity of stable antimatter in a magnetic field (it would have to consist of anti-ions or the antimatter equivalent of Ferrite material) in a rapidly accelerating projectile due to F=ma (even if the mass were minimal). 2.) Unless you are a tachyon, you cannot (under a modern understanding of physics) travel through space in a linear manner going faster than the speed of light. 3.) beaming is at best a wild extrapolation of particle physics; the complexity of a human being makes disassembly and then reassembly incredibly complicated (even assuming unlimited computing power) and 4.) the "energy shield" of the enterprise could not (assuming it works in the manner described above) absorb a surplus of subatomic particles, let alone projectiles.
Battlestar Galactica physics is arguably much better, although it is still lacking in several places, including the FTL drive and the use of "tylium" as fuel (no known substance (short of antimatter) could possibly have the amount of energy per kilogram tylium is described as having).
And lastly, could all you trekkies try being a little less rabid?

The Galactica was constructed over 150k years ago. People are looking at the bells and whistles of Starfleet ships. The colonials could build computers and networking but do to the Cylons had to use stand alone mission specific computers, much like the Russians used during the cold war. Some believe that the Russians had junk but the experts believe baring nuclear weapons they would have cleaned our clocks had the cold war turned hot. Star trek tech is more automated then Galactica but not more advanced. Star trek tech is also more fantasy then Galactica. The only weapon Starfleet uses that does not have a colonial counterpart is the phasers. But the ranges of the phasers are only about from earth to the moon, about 300k miles. The photon torpedoes effective range is about 3 million miles. And the longer they fly the less fuel they have for critical mass. The weapons on a Battlestar do not use the core for fuel thus a 50 MT warhead would yield a 50 MT energy release.

Hey man! Go to DITL for Star Trek Tech and BattlestarWiki for BSG Tech....

The most powerfull weapon of the Galactica is 150kilotons nukes (6 times Hiroshima). Photons Torpedoes, the most powerful weapon of the Enterprise are 62 Megatons, according to TNG manual, or 46Megatons according to the blast are equal to 307 or 413 Galactica Nukes...

Remember, Enterprise carries 120 torpedoes and Galactica have 5 nukes before the episode Pegasus, and 7 after....

If you have seen the eleventh movies, after a salve of Romulan photon torpedoes, Enterprise shields are at 32%....

(Design has changed between Star Trek TOS and Star Trek XI but it's the same ship... Or an oldest version...
Narada's time travel changed life but technologie? Not really...)

http://www.ditl.org/index.php?daymain=/pagarticle.php?24
For the power of Photons Torpedoes and
http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Galactica
For the Galactica Nukes...
If you don't want to search, short quotation:
Galactica The yield of these weapons is unknown. It is likely they are of a "dial a yield" design which is common in real-life nuclear weapons. Because the physics of nuclear weapon design is a measurable science, and based on the size of the weapons seen on screen, the yield of Galactica's weapons may lie between 5 and 150 kilotons
Enterprise: his would mean that the standard photon torpedo would have a yield of 45.88 Megatons out of the theoretical maximum of 62 Megatons.

PS: Photon torpedoes have a range of 3 500 000 kilometers and can travel at warp speed....

There is an inconsistency on the number of weapons Galactica has. The article on Ragnar anchorage states that they picked up 50 pallets of class d warheads. My point has been if you take Galactica and enterprise fully functional and both ships fully supplied and battle ready the Galactica will prevail in a 1 on 1 engagement. Most of the warheads we have are staged warheads that used 2 stages if we wanted to we could add a third stage and have the higher yield. Photon torpedoes use the reactance of the warhead for fuel that’s why the effective range is only 3 million miles. Not far in space, but the Galactica’s missiles would have unlimited range. The movie was great but now that you brought it up the Enterprise would have been toasted by the Romulans. The romulan ship was how many years ahead?
According to the enterprise tech book the photon torpedoes travel just below warp 1. The probes can travel faster then warp 8.

The Romulan Ships come to 2387 and Previously Comics said that Narada has found a Borg wreck and use Borg Technology...
Romulans Torpedoes have the same power of destruction than federal torpedoes and the old Enterprise survived to 6 hits, i think.
6*62 Megatons=372Megatons. And just 68%of the shield is broken....
In BSG Miniseries, Galacitca hull was damaged by the blast of a 20 kilotons nukes....

OK lets look at the facts. Even the new star trek Movie (which I loved) showed that the enterprises shield is geared more to laser attack than physical. As for the Photon torpedoes, there area of effect is minimal compared to a nuke. And the hull of the Enterprise if you watch the movie series breaches immediately when shields are gone. The Vipers alone would overwhelm the Enterprise. The big G's hull unshielded can take a direct hit from a nuke? Thats 5000 degrees of heat and radiation. The Enterprises shield would not withstand that. And no one knows for sure how those shields work. Look at the stats. The Galactica Is almost a mile long (4752ft) The Enterise-D is only 2107 fleet. The original is only 946 feet. The Galactica could just ram into it and it would be toast. A Star Destroyer is only 100 feet bigger than the Galactica. That would be trouble. This was an accurate study I think. And The Enterprise has no marine detachment to defend themselves. Bottom line is It's only sci-fi

I think the Bottom line here is quite simple , As someone earlier pointed out clearly and acuratly the Enterprise can fire and manuever while at Warp Speed the Galactica cannot , meaning in simple Military terms the Enterprise can attack from a position of inpunity. In fact I'll go as far to say that this is no contest, as much as I enjoy BattleStar Galitica , she is no match for the Enterprise.

Ok now let’s talk tactical response to the warp torpedoes. First have her vipers run missile picket. Have her raptors lay a nuclear minefield across Enterprises most likely rout causing enterprise to either drop out of warp or change course. At warp speed Enterprise cannot change course that easily Bring the main batteries to enterprises projected course and end the Enterprise’s first and last foray into reality. Galactica could use her long rang telemetry scans to target Enterprise. Even at warp speed the torpedoes still only have a range of 3.5 million miles. So that means Enterprise would still have to come in to close quarters with Galactica. As long as Galactica keeps Enterprise at a distance she would win. Adama would also use counter measures to trick Spock and company into going after a decoy like at New Caprice? Imagine the newest destroyer verses an updated Iowa class battleship? Who do you think would win? Enterprise is like a prize fighter with a glass jaw, 1 hit and the fights over.

@Commander1,

Uhh, color me confused by you, but how exactly do sub-light fighters run picket against warp speed torpedoes? (DUH).

Uhh, color me confused by you, but how do sub-light caveman projectile weapons pose any threat at even thousands of miles, let alone MILLIONS of miles? Sure, they don't slow down, but in that setting they are moving slower than snot. Do a little math, will you?(Double DUH)

BSG counter measures to create decoy? Umn, yea, sure. Non-networked Pentium class processor computer system and associated tech. Yepper, they certainly could fool silly old E's main computer and sensors. (exhausted sigh...TRIPLE FRAKKING DUH!)

Can this site implement a Retard Filter already? The retarded clutter is getting re-goddammed-diculous.

Basic math my poor boy. Since your torpedoes travel on a linear course toward its intended target all you have to do is point your guns to the place where the torpedo will be in say 3 seconds or how ever fast you guns bullet travel. The whole purpose of a flak gun is to spray the area with flak and let the target fly into your flak field. The enterprise is better suited for hauling garbage then fighting. She could not even beat a Jem’Hadar attack ship let alone take on a Battlestar.

Basic math my poor boy. Since your torpedoes travel on a linear course toward its intended target all you have to do is point your guns to the place where the torpedo will be in say 3 seconds or how ever fast you guns bullet travel. The whole purpose of a flak gun is to spray the area with flak and let the target fly into your flak field. The enterprise is better suited for hauling garbage then fighting. She could not even beat a Jem’Hadar attack ship let alone take on a Battlestar.

Wow, the retardation runs strong with this one.

How exactly to projectiles in normal space interact with objects at warp? Sorry, I know it is wrong to tease the retarded with simple logic, but I just can't help myself... its WAY too much fun.

Aww... Retard-Boy... Cat got your retarded tongue?

Just 'cuase I can't resist... and how exactly does BSG even know a torpedo was fired at it when the ship firing it is at warp as well? Aaack! Your retarded brain cannah hold together at this speed!

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I guess "commander1" is away commanding his army of the.......
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RETARDED!

His rank awarded to him by the President of the United RETARDED States. He is a career RETARDED military man. He was awarded the Medal of RETARDED Honor during the campaign of the Utterly RETARDED Islands.

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Bungoman, your overuse of the word 'retarded' only serves to emphasize what a sad, sorry excuse for a human being you are. What's more, the unfunny, repetitive nature of your comments, coupled with a limited grasp of the English language, indicate a strong likelihood you suffer from the mental deficiencies you are so quick to ascribe to others.

Your right to an opinion has been revoked. Please try your call again later!

@Peeps

Ha ha ha ha ha ha hee hee hee hee

As I stated earlier, I laugh at the retarded. Hence, I am laughing at YOU.

Ha ha ha hee hee hee ho ho ho. Belly hurts now.

OK this is starting to get stupid..... First lets get back on track.... OK now as people have been saying going to a speed faster then light would indeed cripple the Battlestars Dradis, can’t hit what you can’t see. But I have watched many Star treks and from what I have scene is that the federation ships most always drop out of warp to begin an attack. So the most likely situation would be that the enterprise would be traveling at sub light. Second both ships have powers greater then any amount of direct fire... the federation ship could just beam a hand full of torpedoes over to the Battlestar, into the cic, engineering, weapon storage and that’s it. On the other side the Battlestar could just jump a raptor with a nuke into the enterprise and have it go boom! So both ships have the ability to destroy each other almost instantly. And another thing to all you people who think lasers and nukes are the way to go.... very inefficient in a space duel, why its almost pointless. Go with a projectile that will punch through something rather then explode... why did WW2 battleships use big solid projectiles rather then an explosive shell to destroy other battleships.... because it is way more effective, same goes for torpedoes vs KEW’s the kinetic energy weapons are much more devastating to a solid mass rather then having an explosion on the hull.

Next the nukes used by Battlestars are approximately 70 Megatons... not 20 kilotons come on... these are designed to destroy war ships not a mining vessel, it was stated that the few nukes on Galactica could have wiped out a continent, they are almost equivalent to Russia’s nuke the Tzar, what was made many years ago. These nukes are big! We see that in the final episode the raptor lets go around 7 nukes obliterating something the size of 95,000 meters! How long would it take the enterprise to destroy something of that size? And to top it all off the Pegasus was able to stand 5 nukes and 8 minutes of constant bombardment by three base stars volleying hundreds of high yield missiles and unleashing 2500 fighters. The Battlestars are tougher than most of you think, they are meant only for WAR!

The Galactica is built like a brick! A hand full of torpedoes won’t do much to her. I would love to see the enterprise ram that Cylon home base ship like Galactica did in the final episode.... HAHA her saucer section would just crumple.... the Galactica is a true war ship!

But in all honesty both ships have very efficient means to destroy each other its just we don’t see them implemented in the shows. If I were a betting man my money would be on the enterprise in an anything goes battle, using warp and a transporter beam.... OP! But when it comes down to a good old slug fest my money would be on the best ship in the fleet... to the Galactica! Tough SOB!

@ High,

BUZZZZZZ, WRONG!

As said a million times already, BSG universe does not allow for jumping things into other things except as a total hail Mary. If it were that easy, each side would jump bombs into each other's ships in the first seconds of a battle. But no, they don't, BECAUSE THEY CAN'T. What are you, a retard?

ST universe sees battles at warp ALL THE FRAKKING TIME you dolt. Just saw 3 in the past week, while renting TNG DVD's.

TOS Enterprise can withstand the CORONA OF A FRAKKING STAR. That's a few more BTUs and Watts of energy than some stupid nuke, 100 megaton Tzar or whatever, dontcha think, RETARD?

While moving at close to the speed of light, E's basic nav deflectors deal with micro and macro meteoroids as a matter of course. Know hoe much frakking kinetic energy THAT IS you retard?

PLEASE, admins implement a Retard Filter to block this total dimwitted crogmags. They barely have enough cognitive skill to remember to breath, let alone comment on this silly subject.

To the points where you are wrong! Yes the tech in BSG does allow one to jump into another solid object as scene in the episode Fragged. Not saying it would be easy to plot the jump but it is possible. The second point with the federation ships dropping out of warp into battle... I said most always, not never. Sure you might see it a few times in a few episodes but not often. Haha now to the part where you are I cant stop laughing! The shields on the Enterprise can handle little chunks of rock in space but would not be able to handle twin linked rail guns each producing 268 megatons per battery, the Battlestar has 24 KEW’s each lobbing two shells every 5 seconds.... yea how much kinetic energy does the torpedoes produce...? 253 for a quantum torpedo... Yea deflectors huhhh, energy =1/2mv^2 m=400Kg v=74.9x10^6 m/s stick in the numbers! How much kinetic energy IS THAT...? and now to top it all off, in star trek Nemeses we see a portion of the Romulan warbird break off and impact the bow of enterprise causing major damage to the shields! Now think about it, to masses traveling in the same direction.... the velocity between them would not have been more then 1/5 the speed of light and the impact dropped the shields down by 30%... come on on a sovereign class with the most advanced shields in the federation had its shields dropped by 30% by a hunk of metal, what if it was a constitution class, there would be no more ship!

Whoo Nelly, we got ourselves a Knights Templartard.

Reading For COMPREHENSION, that's the name of the game.

READ the part where I discuss the ability to jump one ship into another, see the little caveat I included? Obviously not the first time, since your did NOT read for COMPREHENSION, you Templartard.

I love the random numbers you come up with for BSG weapon yields. Care to cite your source? Remember, only cannon: that is, as seen in the show, is allowed. Thought I would love to understand the physics of armor that could survive such kinetic impacts. Even solid Neutronium wouldn't hold up for long, so I think we have ourselves another ACT OF GOD in that frakking retarded show. But hey, God did it all, he was the answer to the whole series, so in that vein, I guess BSG would win. Although, ST has Q. Who would win in a battle between two omnipotent beings?

Sheesh, how can any of you seriously defend this POS show after Moore bamboozled all of us with that pathetic last season and that RETARDED finale and explanation? Puhlease, only a retard would see reason to do so. And don't get me started on that snore-fest Caprica. Sci-Fi, just let it die and maybe bring back something with real writing and a fully thought out universe, like Farscape.

I see now Templartard has joined Commandertard in disappearing; shamed into self imposed exile by their own retardedness. Good riddance, I hope the doorknob didn't hit you in the a$$ on the way out.

considering bsg is us with propulsion and energy (tylium), the enterprise could completely crush us. c'mon-- phasers, transporters, photon torpedoos, shields... that's nothing we or the galactica could compete with.

don't get me wrong-- i love bsg... possibly more than tng..... but really...

well guys, you all are squabbling over fiction, and getting nothing done...

just like the nephilim want.

earth is doomed with idiot children like you all spazzing over fiction, LOOK AROUND YOU FOOLS!

ha!!!

What I really liked from the beginning with Battlestar Galactica was that it was so low tech the Enterprise could take her out any day of the week. Slow and clunky computers, primitive weaponry, a system of FTL that takes minutes worth of calculations to use accurately, rendering it nigh impossible to use in battle.

Which is why I was really shocked at this, obviously the Enterprise could take out the Galactica. Its kind of sad looking at all these out there scenarios that involve the Galactica knowing of the attack weeks in advance so they can plan to jump a raptor in there. Basically, your idea is "If Galactica had a massive tactical advantage and went to unreasonable lengths and knew the exact point where the Enterprise would be then maybe it could pull something out of its ass to beat them, theoretically.'

That does little to change that they would lose massively in a straight fight. And thats fine. Its what I love about Galactica, its not a tough ship, its not the best ship in the Colonial fleet. Its old, its rusty, its falling apart. Adama has to pull a scenario out of his ass at random times just so they can barely survive. Thats awesome, its great for drama, its part of what made the show so amazing.

But it would not stand a chance against that hyper advanced 23rd century technology, not a chance. They would be gone before they could launch the alert fighters, the Enterprise would likely be little more than a blip on their DRADIS.

Some good points have been made but the author is biased he chose original st to new Bg, it should be old vs old, new vs new.No offense St universe rules all none can compare

The person who wrote this article is a fanboy moron, I thought trekkies were bad but the idiots who adore Boringstar Galactica are worse

I'm sure plenty of people have already said this, but I'll stress one more time how absurd it is to think that nukes are anywhere close to photon torpedos. If you're under the impression that nuclear reactions can convert mass to energy with anywhere near the magnitude of an matter/antimatter annihilation, you haven't taken a basic chemistry or particle physics class.

And to whoever said it up above, kinetic weapons are useless against the Enterprise. They'd never make it through the shields (which is the same reason nukes are virtually useless).

Here is another nail in the BSG coffin: Picard's D once used a "sensor ghost" ship, fooling an adversary (don't remember which one- but I think Tasha Yar came up with the idea. I'm not sure if a sensor ghost would be picked up on Dreadus. I think it would be possibe, since it was a holographic trick- energy converted to matter, which is Dreadus positive.

Really? Galactica. Don't get me wrong, Galactica's a cooler ship, but it would be completely outclassed. You can speculate nukes vs proton torpedoes all day, and I might even entertain the idea that they aren't as destructive as one of the bucket's nukes, but the Galactica's flack barrier is just not the same thing as the Enterprise's energy shields, not even close. I would venture that phasers don't give a frak about flack.

Also there's that whole - Scotty, beam that ship's bridge officers directly to the brig angle. Or if it's bad Kirk, transporting torpedoes directly into ops, or the engine core.

Sorry, I'm a bigger fan of the Galactica, but saying it would win cause it's cooler, is like saying Wolverine would beat Lobo because he's more popular...

Oh wait...

The beaming of anything aboard Galactica would not work. Transporters have limited range and the ships shield need to be lowered while transporting. The phasers would not be effective pass 200k miles. Photon torpedoes uses there reactant to fuel the propulsion of the torpedo thus the longer it flies the less effective it becomes. Results would be the Galatia’s 16 main kinetic energy guns would rip enterprise to shreds. With a follow up nuke strike as the final haymaker. Just because Galactica was built 150k years ago does not mean she is obsolete by our future standards.

Remember, the Enterprise can destroy a Warbird when the Warbird has its shields down. Warbirds are big. At least as big as the Galactica, so size is not an issue.

Enterprise wins.

okay, Im actually a total geek. And not only am I a fan of all the mentioned series and and movies but I own them on DVD as well as most of the accompanying literature Star Fleet stopped using Laser technology with the invention of the Phaser not even the death stars because there where a total of 3 built could penetrate federation sheilding sorry but Star Wars loses hands down to star trek and although the galacticas primary weapons could do a considerable amount of damage to the enterprises hull it would have to be able to hit it first also you failed to mention that the federation also has fighters 2 different types to be exact the arco attack sled and the arcon attack sled both are equiped with phasers and a minuture version of the photon torpedo the arco is a 1 man fighter and the arcon is a 2 man fighter sorry but if you want to properly evaluate which would win you need a better understanding of the individual IP's in question

This comparison has too many variables to consider for us to come up with a real, solid winner.

If you limit yourself to comparing tech specs for both ships, of course The Enterprise would win. Its technology is far superior to Galacticas, but that is not to say that Enterprise would win in EVERY scenario, EVERY time.

Scenario 1 (The most idiotic, tactically speaking, and... sadly the most commonly seen in Star Trek series) The two ships meet each other in space and for some ridiculous reason they allow each other to be within a few kilometers of each other before they start the battle. (Come on, you know what Im talkin about, countless Star Trek battles were fought with both ships having real visual contact) In this scenario, Enterprise would win.

Scenario 2: A raptor detects Enterprise at a designated location, and jumps back to warn Galactica. Adama, orders Galactica to jump just a few hundred meters from Enterprise with guns a blazing, punching several holes through enterprise hull before they even have a chance to react. Galactica wins.

Scenario 3: Enterprise with its long range sensors detects Galactica without Adama even knowin it...Kirk orders Enterprise into warp, fires torpedoes while at warp and Galactica. Enterprise wins.

Scenario 4: As seen countless times in Star Trek series and movies... Starfleet ships are ridiculously fragile when it comes to ship to ship collisions. In a ship to ship collision, Enterprise would crumble like a Toyota Prius hitting a school bus. All Adama has to do is slam Galactica into Enterprise. Id be surprised if Galactica even has a dent after such a collision. Now you may be asking, but Enterprise is much faster and manuverable! Adama would never be able to pull that one off. One word... FTL. Just jump right in fornt of the damn thing and see the Enterprise slam head first agaisnt Galactica. End of fight.

What Im trying to say is... You cant just pick a winner by throwing specs up in the air. You have to consider the surprise element, the commanders, morale, the terrain(yes, that is useful in space too), dirty tactics (I dont see Adama being above using trickery and deceit to get the upper hand, etc.

Hope I was a help

One last thing, please stop saying that Enterprise could beam photon torpedoes into Galactica to end the fight. When in the original series did they EVER do that? I believe they simply dint have the capacity to beam an activated torpedo. Otherwise they would have done it al the time, even if it was just to beam them in the path of the enemy ship to make it crash into it.

Lets face it, Star Trek tehcnology is sooo inconsistent that it allowed for pretty much whatever the writers thought of to happen. I mean... if I want, I could argue that Kirk could fly right into "The Nexus" to hook up with Piccard in the 24th century, have him use a replicator to create a poisoned replica of Rambo's combat knife, then fly Enterprise E at warp speed around a Star to travel back in time only to beam the aforementioned knife directly above Adama's mother's head thus killing her, forever altering the time continuum so that Galactica was destroyed with the 12 colonies. Boom.. enterprise wins. Shakes head... ridiculous.