27-40 MPG? I guess that is good for a sports car. But for a hybrid vehicle in general it's not so hot, especially considering the cost of hydrogen fuel cells.

While I am pleased to see that we're moving in the right direction, I think that cutting only about 30% of gasoline usage is not sufficient. We need definitely need better fuel solutions.

Most of the hybrid cars that get over 30 mpg don't account for other things such as how difficult they will be to repair, or how their hybrid batteries need to be disposed of...

Well at LEAST it doesn't LOOK like a hybrid. That has been a complaint of mine for years and I believe the manufactures made these hybrids horrible looking to discourage their production. But sure the above only gets 27-40 MPG, but LOOK AT IT. Darn thats a sweet looking vehicle... now LETS make a non-gas-guzzler not look like one...

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The sad thing is over 75% of Hydrogen is just refined from fossil fuels. So it's not like your saving and dinos from burning. Well untill we can get our H from another non fossil fuel source.

No fuel cell folks. This tech just produces hydrogen which is burnt along with gasoline to reduce fuel consumption.
I find the concept confusing as electricity from the alternator is used to produce the hydrogen, which in turn powers the engine, which makes electricity from the alternator…
Conservation of energy anyone?

@braf: yeah that a funny thing to think about since if its making hydrogen that way or pluged in its still costing you fossil fuels, if it has some kind of solar or bacterial hydrogen producing method then it might be better, but in the long run your still paying for that hydrogen with fossil fuels. this car still equals dirty. FAIL

what an awesome looking car and 27-40mpg is excellent for a performance vehicle (if they can deliver as promised). What folks may be missing here is that it is a first step toward the hydrogen future we are waiting for. The move toward hydrogen as fuel has to be a gradual process and vehicles like this are early steps in the right direction.

It is in the right direction. Water is used to get the hydrogen. Now, if the body of the care was covered with pv film, you wouldn't use the car battery at all to produce the electricity needed to break up H2O.

It is in the right direction. Water is used to get the hydrogen. Now, if the body of the car was covered with pv film, you wouldn't use the car battery at all to produce the electricity needed to break up H2O.

"By vraptor at 9:32 AM ON 06/11/08

what an awesome looking car and 27-40mpg is excellent for a performance vehicle (if they can deliver as promised). What folks may be missing here is that it is a first step toward the hydrogen future we are waiting for. The move toward hydrogen as fuel has to be a gradual process and vehicles like this are early steps in the right direction."

Yes the hydrogen future is comming people.
I hope that our coal fired power plants get shut down. before we get into this hybrid car mind set.
Alternative Fuels: The Future of Hydrogen - by Michael F. Hordeski
Hydrogen Energy System: Production and ... - by Yuda Yürüm,(older perpective)

Hey, I'm all for alternative energy sources, and understand that we might need to take some baby steps first, but as Braf pointed out, this thing seems to be breaking some fundamental physical laws. If you're using electrolysis (which they are--check the company website) to produce exactly as much hydrogen as you're burning, then there can't be any net energy gain from the hydrogen. In fact, unless they've somehow achieved 100% efficiency, there should be a net energy LOSS.

Actually, if it's getting its hydrogen from water, on demand as they say, then it's got one BIG benefit that the current hybrids lack. The ability to travel greater distances and still get the same gas mileage. A hybrid on a 1200 mile drive isn't getting the same gas mileage as it does during a commute. When you're travelling at freeway speeds, your being moved about by your gas engine. Electric doesn't kick in til you slow way down. This car won't care what speed you're travelling at.

DOKCAL... BRAF... you may both be correct. However, to move away from the car for a moment and raise your issue in a different context, a nuclear device should not be possible. After all, if you have to always put more energy into a system than you get out, that would require a larger bomb to detonate a smaller one. Obviously, that is not the case, as already stored potential energy is released in the fusion reaction, yes? Now, I'm not saying that this car's system functions in any way similar to that. I'm only saying that your basic premise does not hold for all situations. Since not for all, then MAYBE there is something going on of which we are not aware that prevents your premise from applying here.

Capt Jack: there are no fuel cells on board. The system is Hydrogen gas on demand; made from water extracting the Hydrogen. Any car cane be retrofitted with the Hydrogen gas system.

Sweet mother of god-she's a beauty. and wtf:
"While I am pleased to see that we're moving in the right direction, I think that cutting only about 30% of gasoline usage is not sufficient." That's why it's called a move in the right direction(30%) and not the perfect move!! Jeez. And to Mr Zero, well your name says it all :)

hydrogen, I am interested in the development of a hydrogen only car, i have a shop and resources to build, if you have tech. knowledge and expertise in this area to build a prototype system and are not working for another company or covered under any prior agreement for development of this system and have the desire to become rich and famous reply rick 2392674942

Dork! Too fake to be true

To DOKCAL and BRAF: True, conservation of energy has to prevail. However, the claimed mpg increase (or lets say, "extra" energy output) does not come directly from the hydrogen (which, as you rightly pointed out, takes more energy from the battery than what it actually puts out in the form of hydrogen). Rather, this hydrogen, when properly mixed with the air/fuel mixture, will enhance combustion by 30-40% (supposedly), thus releasing more energy from the hydrocarbon than would otherwise (gasoline has about 46 MJ/kg, only a portion of which gets converted to mechanical motion in typical internal combustion). The idea is that this extra energy yield through combustion (again, coming more from the gasoline than the hydrogen) is greater than the energy lost by the battery (and the associated battery/alternator mechanical-to-electrical conversion efficiency).
I hopes this makes sense. I could be wrong, but this is how I understand this whole hydrogen thing.

You got it RIOFRIO! A cleaner burn is a step in the right direction. If we could capture the energy of braking to produce Hydro gas we could get even more MPG without disrupting the laws of physics.

Wow, you guys have and your postings about 30% gas savings have your heads where the sun doesn't shine. It is a supercar that goes 0-60 in 3.5 seconds. Other supercars with similar acceleration rates get 10-15 MPG, it would be similar to your accord getting 90-110 MPG. Would that not be enough for you if they would put it out this fall?

I have to say that a hydrogen fueled car is not impressive. from what i understand its highly combustable, and unsafe if the tank ignites unlike stanley meyers water fuel cell. you want to see a real genius go here www.waterfuelcell.org

You have a really sharp-looking car. However, do you plan on making either a 4-wheel or all-wheel drive model. We that live on the east coast do get snow and could use such a model. Thank you.
John

I recently installed a hydrogen injector on my mazda and it appears I have increases my gas mileage by about 25%. I appreciate contact from any others running hydrogen injection so I can compare notes and improve my system. mholder@iquest.net

I have red a lot about this car. It produces its own oxygen from a small water tank. the company bought the patent from a company in Florida. It will be use about 60% gasoline and 40% hydrogen from water.....plus great horsepower and fuel economy from a sports car.

Beautiful car, where can I get a poster or brochure of the Scorpion Super Car. Thank You.Eddie