



What’s this? Another crackpot saying he can generate power out of water, thin air or garbage? Blacklight Power is more than sketches and talk: The well-funded company says it has built a prototype of its power generator, claiming it can crank out 50,000 watts at a tenth the cost of the cheapest coal, nuclear, or wind-generated power. The astonishing science behind this dynamo has to do with a concept that many scientists say doesn’t even exist, the Fifth Force (the first four being gravity, electromagnetism, and the two nuclear forces, strong and weak).
Randell Mills, the Harvard-educated physician and maverick behind this power-generation tech, says he’s applied a catalyst (insert miracle here?) to hydrogen atoms derived from plain old water, changing the orbits of their electrons and turning them into what he calls hydrinos. When this happens, lots of energy is released, enough to create more hydrogen via electrolysis. Sounds near-miraculous, but the company says the generator you see here is real (update: we changed the pic to show what is believed to be the prototype), and can be scaled up to megawatt size or down to micro size. Click Continue to see a diagram of the generator in action.

Beyond the practical aspect of this project, Blacklight Power also claims to have gone beyond quantum mechanics and discovered a Theory of Everything, the elusive Grand Unified Theory Einstein was searching for but never found. Could this be the real thing? Blacklight says it will have a factory built by next year to mass-produce its power generation devices, so we’ll know soon enough. If true, this could change the world forever.
Blacklight Power, via Next Big Future
By Delosworld at 12:02 PM ON 06/19/08
Yup, it looks like a Naquadah generator to me.
I wonder if it might also work better with some tylium injection? Why settle for only 10x better when you could have 1,000,000 times better generation?
By maksimir at 12:11 PM ON 06/19/08
I honestly wish this was true and would go into production but it seems too good to be real.
By Zintradi at 1:25 PM ON 06/19/08
Yup, it looks like a Naquadah generator to me.
"I wonder if it might also work better with some tylium injection? Why settle for only 10x better when you could have 1,000,000 times better generation?"
HEY, quit mixing your sci-fi tech!!! :-)
Lets just stick with a good ol Matter-Antimatter reactor.
By EnOne at 1:59 PM ON 06/19/08
1. Come up with to-good-to-be-true technology
2. Have noted scientists debunk your technology to remove competition
3. Create practical use for technology
4. Patent
5. Profit!!!
By DarkStar at 4:12 PM ON 06/19/08
yeah, that does look like a naquadah generator! anyway, it does seem 2 good 2 b true, but if it really works then it might change history 4ever! and it would decrease pollution substantially! yaaahhhh!!! tree huggers will rule the earth!!!:)
By Stoney at 5:02 PM ON 06/19/08
Idealists, scientists, and other non-political/military types always see new energy sources as a boon to humanity. History proves otherwise. The myan calander runs out in 2012 and the "end time" theorists say doomsday is due any day now. Maybe this technology is real after all:)
By Brass_Orchid at 5:20 PM ON 06/19/08
It probably isn't Le Sage's ultramundane corpuscles, so I would assume it is akin to the Casimir-Polder force and working at a quantum level, if they have actually found something. Maybe they have found a way to use quantum fluctuations to separate molecules without putting in the requisite energy to do so without the aid of an external force. I can wait to see.
By nextbigfuture at 5:21 PM ON 06/19/08
Author of the source article. The picture is for a test apparatus for electron beam deflection to detect the fifth force.
Another article has a picture of what is believed to be the 50kw prototype generator.
http://nextbigfuture.com/2008/05/balcklight-power-claims-50kw-prototype.html
By Killamajig at 6:05 PM ON 06/19/08
Hmm, so we are seeing the future, and, wait for it, it is steam powered!!!
By DVICE at 6:06 PM ON 06/19/08
@Nextbigfuture: Thanks for the heads up. We've changed the picture to the one you mentioned and updated the post.
By ThatGuy at 6:55 PM ON 06/19/08
Why settle for a Naquadah when we could build ZPMs?
By MarkV at 6:56 PM ON 06/19/08
Lol, then they SHOULD officially name it a naquadah generator!
By 1.21gw at 9:18 PM ON 06/19/08
blacklight power < naquadah generator
naquadah generator < naquadria generator
naquadria generator < zed-pm (yay rodney!)
zed-pm < black hole keeping the gate open for about 3 months.
but this thing is still cool!
By Timeless at 10:47 PM ON 06/19/08
It's only a matter of time folks, considering that some theorize that time is only something humans perceive so they can deal with life. Then think about that little fact that just about everything we can imagine eventually comes to reality, like things that Jules Verne wrote about and even Star Trek devices are possible with time for science to figure out how to make the dream reality.
By CCfan at 9:00 AM ON 06/20/08
It's kinda to good to be true, to be honest if it works I'll be really excited, cuz it could mean the end of gasoline and the end of the Global Warming crud I gotta listen to from hippies cuz I drive a car and don't use LSD to get where I wanna go.
By Bkfldviking at 11:54 AM ON 06/20/08
Debunk all you will, Juels Verne was thought a "dreamer" when he wrote about submarines. I think this could at least be a step in the right direction. If it can be small enough then range of all electric transportation is no longer a problem.
By Bio at 12:39 PM ON 06/20/08
I won't believe it until I see the Daedalus-class battlecruiser they plan to power with it...
By Yaos at 1:32 PM ON 06/20/08
1. Create fake product.
2. Don't apply for patents or have any papers written in scientific journals about your world changing breakthrough.
3. Refuse to show products except to a select few that already believe you are telling the truth, because the scientists are just going to steal your work.
4. When it's supposed to be shown off, show something else that has nothing to do with anything. Claim that the person that was supposed to set it up did not come in.
5. When asked why they have never shown the product working, ask "can you prove it does not work?"
6. Run off with investor money.
By MarsV at 10:16 PM ON 06/21/08
By comparison, this makes cold fusion look plausible. (cue: rolling eyes)
By Eepic at 10:09 PM ON 06/22/08
if did work, we wouldnt see it anyway, the goverment would just buy it out and hide it away in the vault with the rest. and continue squeeze profit from petrol until it runs dry.
By Wintermute at 10:32 AM ON 06/24/08
Is that Iron Man's arch reactor?
By Dman at 5:14 AM ON 06/26/08
The sceptical comments in this thread are pointless.
This may well be a fake, but how many of you have actually taken the time to read their white papers? Or do you think adolescent comments make you look clever? Quite the contrary.
I admit it does seem too good to be true, but how many of those commenting here are qualified to debunk it?
Look at the site, review their assertions, THEN make a decision as to their veracity, tempered by your level of expertise.
As Carl Sagan said, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. But the small minded comments here remind me uncomfortably of those who laughed when they said a metal ship would never float.
By SnowyRiver at 9:22 AM ON 06/26/08
DMAN, while I agree that there remains the possibility that this is legitimate, the simple truth is that very little in the areas of fundamental physics research happens in a vacuum, proverbially speaking (much happens in a vacuum, literally speaking). The fact that they seem to be claiming some kind of massive break through, not only in their technological development, but also in fundamental understanding of physics, tends to draw all of their assertions into question. This is a pattern that has been seen before, as some of the other "adolescent comments" have pointed out, and nothing has ever come of it.
So, while criticizing others for drawing conclusions from a demonstrated pattern (an accepted scientific method) may seem like a good thing to do, I have to agree with others here. The burden of proof is on Blacklight, not on the skeptics. If they want to prove that their metal ship will float, they have to do more than provide unsubstantiated claims.
Oh, and by the way, I am a physicist and engineer, so I have some level of expertise in this area.
By crichtonx at 9:56 AM ON 06/26/08
DMAN, is quite right. Back in the late 1920's,the great physics community thought Paul Dirac was a quack for believing in existence of the positron and anti-matter. Experimental data later proved he was right. If we always listened to the naysayers, then we wouldn't have airplanes and nuclear power today.
And Killamajig.... You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. All conventional thermal power plants use steam in the process; nuclear, biomass, coal, natural gas, geo, waste. Just different fuels to create the same type of energy. Some are just more efficient than others.
By 68firebird at 10:41 AM ON 06/26/08
I wonder when Ron Popiel is releasing his Mr Fusion?
By SnowyRiver at 11:04 AM ON 06/26/08
CRICHTONX, while that may have been true back in 1920, the face of physics is vastly different now than what it was back then. The simple truth is that some experimental evidence from cosmic ray detection for the positron had already been around when Dirac hypothesized the existence of anti-particles. And his theoretical work was building on the theoretical work of Einstein, and Schrodinger and Heisenberg. Again, it was not something that happened in a vacuum. Also, it is hardly accurate to say that he was believed to be a quack, given the fact that the theory that suggested the existence of anti-particles won him the Nobel Prize for his theory just five years after he published it.
To draw a true parallel, you'd have to have a situation where Dirac came up with a theory that suggested the existence of anti-particles and chose not to publish it, but instead chose to go on a search for antimatter himself. Then, when he found it, he made a press release saying the he had both a new theory and amazing evidence that proved it, but he wasn't going to publish his theory for others to review because they might recreate his experiment and steal his thunder.
In short, this is not how the world works in physics research. Again, while it may be that this is, in fact, a legitimate discovery, I am highly skeptical for a number of very powerful reasons. And, again, the burden of proof lies with Blacklight. I don't accept the premise of "don't question what you don't understand".
By Skeptic at 12:06 PM ON 06/26/08
Mills is published. See http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/summary?doi=10.1.1.17.8737 and http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract;jsessionid=1D6C00CA6E2BFD3FEA7DA6823A8D859F.tomcat1?fromPage=online&aid=355891
To me, the question is about not his theories, which make claims too sweeping to all be true, but is about whether or not he has stumbled upon any physical phenomena which are not explained by current understanding. I am keeping an eye out for experiments that end up being the next Michelson-Morley experiment or black body experiment.
Even if the theory is not sound, it doesn't mean the phenomena don't exist. The phenomena might even fit in current theory. For example, see http://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0507193
By shawn_hall at 12:58 PM ON 06/26/08
STONEY says: "The myan calander runs out in 2012 and the "end time" theorists say doomsday is due any day now." My research leads me to believe that the calendar doesn't "run out" in 2012, but it is the end of the current cycle. It also correlates with some unique astrological events including a solar eclipse.
By Totono at 3:39 PM ON 06/26/08
The bad thing is that if a product comes out that can solve our energy problems, the big companies buy it and store it until they have squeezed out all the profits from their current technology.
By smeagollette at 4:52 PM ON 06/26/08
I would love to see their research. If they have truly found the Theory of Everything, I'd love to see the data! The mathematics must be astounding. I'm curious and hopeful, but cautious to believe or debunk their findings without further inquiry.
By AUTHOROFTHEWORLD at 9:21 PM ON 06/26/08
Even though science is based on empirical evidence, often the spark of hypothesis/theory is accomplished by less than objective scientific steps.
Sometimes science is achieved by pure dumb luck, a great imagination, and improbable serendipity i.e. things just work out for some unknown reason (waffle science).
Only time will tell concerning this invention.
Ironically many of the devices of quackery used in the past-- Everything from light therapy, magnets, snake oil, and other venoms have found footing in mainstream medicine.
By sergenet at 12:16 AM ON 06/27/08
Everytime we hear about a new invention that would solve our energy problem, puff... the invention and the inventor disappear and are never heard from again. Either the govornment or the big oil/energy companies swallow them up.
By DarrianAshoka at 3:03 PM ON 06/28/08
There is even better tech that has been suppressed. Over a decade ago relative of mine built a generator that exceeded perpetual motion and produces more electricity than it consumes. My grandfather was the inventor of the Rich's Freezer food program over half a century back and later developed the water bumpers for car and City buses that would have made it like playing bumper cars out there on the roads, but The major Auto maker got him shut down back in the early 70s.
By DC solah at 1:21 PM ON 06/30/08
I hear this thing's got nothin on the good ol' flux capacitor!
By davefoc at 12:20 PM ON 08/06/08
I've followed the blacklight story for several years now and check back in to see if anything new has happened every now an then. On one level it seems to be just a routine scam as several have noted above. But they have gone to a lot of effort over a long period of time to look professional and credible.
The bottom line, though, is that they have no credibly verified developments and there is no significant outside scientific validation of their claims. So despite the patina of credibility provided by their outward appearance this whole thing still looks like a scam or perhaps some kind of weird organization involving a thoroughly deluded inventor and a staff of sycophants.
As of the date of my post, I notice no follow up reports about their May 28, 2008 press release claiming a 50,000 watt prototype power system. Not an unexpected situation.
By johnson at 3:51 PM ON 12/13/08
Okay geniuses seen the latest press release on Blacklight Power's website? Looks like many of quantum physics ridiculous and tenuous assumptions could possibly be incorrect. Haha.. losers.
By Johnson at 3:57 PM ON 12/13/08
The mathematics are in fact not astounding, it is in fact the simple revision of the nature of the electron as being an "orbitsphere" that has enabled a fundamental and paradigm shifting framework to be developed. If you want astounding mathematics just take a look at a quantum mechanics approach to modeling a simple polymer chain.
By BLWatcher at 3:53 PM ON 05/05/09
I have been watching these guys for a number of years waiting for the "proof". While I am still waiting to see if they can withstand the blistering criticism from the physics community, they do claim to have results that have been substantiated by independant third parties. The really interesting test may come from the molecular modeling software that they have developed based on their grand unified theory of everything. Anyone interested can get a demo of version 1 and try it out. See how well the software models different complicated molecules. If the results align with experimental results then It seems to me the theory must be pretty good. If there are any qualified chemists or physicists that are interested in testing the theory this way give it a try. I for one would really like to hear your results.
BLWatcher:
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