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SHIFT: Mac vs. PC, for the first time ever
Each week Adam Frucci takes a closer look at the latest gadget buzz in his column, Shift.
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This week I invited Peter Pachal, my esteemed editor, to join me in a healthy debate on this whole Mac vs. PC thing. I've grown up on PCs, while Peter has been brainwashed his whole life to enjoy well-dressed rip-offs. Oh, sorry, this is just an intro — I'm not supposed to jump into it yet. Well, I guess it's too late now. Anyways, I didn't come up with some fancy system of points to see who was winning the debate, so since it's my column I'm just going to go ahead and declare myself the winner in advance. Sorry Pete, if you want a fair match go to the Olympics. If you still want the details despite the fact that you already know the winner, check it out after the jump.
Adam's rebuttal: Is pretty really worth the price? We're talking about a computer, not a blouse. If shiny icons and nice-looking screen savers are really what you're looking at when you're buying a computer, I'd say you aren't making a very well informed decision when purchasing yourc omputer. Anyhow, with the upcoming Vista "Aero" aesthetic, Windows will be able to rival Apple's OS X on the pretty front while retaining the expandability and value that keeps it on everyone but Apple diehard's desks. As for the cases that these computers come in, PCs are no longer the boring beige boxes that they once were. Take a look at the new Dell XPS towers for example: they're just as slick as the Mac Pro towers, if not more so. Anyways, as any kindergarten teacher can tell you, it's what's inside that counts.
Peter's rebuttal: You know, that's probably the first time the Hot Pocket vs. four-course meal analogy has been used where the Mac's the Hot Pocket. As any designer will tell you, simplicity is a good thing — and it's hard to create. Any jackass can put together a complicated application, but making something simple and useful is a challenge, yet Apple does it time and again. And by creating most Mac applications themselves, Apple's designers are able to ensure that all of them have similar, intuitive interfaces and that they just work, without any drivers to install or settings to configure. And speaking of bad raps, the Mac's "spinning beach ball of death," which I've harped on myself, at least usually means your machine is actually doing something, and hasn't crashed, whereas that hourglass on a PC can mean anything.
Adam's rebuttal: Boot camp, shmoot camp. This is a silly argument, as you're claiming that people should pay much more to get a similar experience as a nice PC in a Mac just so they can have a shiny Apple on the outside. Who needs both Windows and Mac on one machine? Not many people. Your average novice computer user that Apple is going after would have no reason to have two OSes on their machine, so the high cost of a Mac isn't worth the huge jump in price. It makes more sense for them to pay half as much and get a PC than to pay an arm and a leg to have a feature they'll never use. There's really no question at all that you're paying a premium for a logo with Apple, and with the trendiness that the iPod has brought to the Apple brand that's only gotten worse. If you want to overpay for a status symbol, by all means toss that new MacBook in your Louis Vuitton bag and sling it over your Diesel jacket. If you want a computer that's a good value, get a PC.
Peter's rebuttal: Let's put aside for a moment that the existence of Boot Camp means you can run any PC application on current Macs. The fact is all of the major games (Civilization, Half-Life) and most relevant applications (Office, InDesign) always come out for the Mac at the same time as their PC counterparts or shortly afterward. As for the smaller stuff, it's actually a relief that a lot of it isn't available for the Mac, since those programs are often crawling with bugs and viruses. Can you sometimes get more, and more extensive, applications on PCs? Sure, but for the vast majority of people, it's overkill; iLife is just fine. And at least on a Mac, you know it'll work.
By Mirag3 at 12:17 AM ON 09/16/06
I have to say, I don't think very much of this comparison. For one, you have made the windows crowd the "nerd" crowd, apparently because of the "skill" needed to use it. Let's not delude ourselves here - any idiot can use a PC. Their computer may have a fair amount of security breaches, but using a PC takes NO skill whatsoever. On the other hand, a Mac (for the most part) also takes no skill to use. However, if you place an intermediate (you would probably define as "advanced") user within a Mac environment and the same user in a PC environment, the Mac environment creates a more secure and adaptable platform on which to build (mostly because of Darwin). In addition, to examine the argument concerning number of applications, the vast majority of open source applications can now be easily ported to the Mac, while PC users only receive binaries of the most popular projects (e.g. Azureus). The bottom line is, for a production computer, i.e. a computer that is meant to be reliable and capable for all of the needed activities, a Mac provides the best of both worlds. It combines ease of use with shear power and convenience in most every area. For example, coders currently use a wide range of IDEs for development, but some of them are buggy, others are expensive (like > $300 expensive), and still others only support a small number of functions/languages. However, Macs harbor Xcode, which is not only powerful and versatile, but it comes on every Mac - BY STANDARD. Also, Xcode and the numerous other applications work together seamlessly - since they were built to work together, you don't have to worry about unknown developer's projects meeting each other (like in PCs). Lastly, I'd simply like to point out that if you actually know what youre doing and want to actually customize your computer, youre running Linux, not Windows. However, Linux has the problem that it is very hard to use (advanced users only) and it is what I like to call a "sandbox" OS. Because it is so open and customizeable, it allows the user to play around with their system - which can sometimes break it. This is where Macs come in. They incorporate the good parts of Linux (Unix in the form of Darwin) into the background, but they also provide a stable, pleasing front end for the system. This allows advanced users to tinker with their systems like they like, but not worry about the little things that would have to be done slowly and manually in Linux. This is why, out of my 4 computers, 3 run a Linux distro and one runs Windows (a necessity, not a choice). I will be buying a Macbook Pro in the next month because of the previous reasons, and then ALL of my other computers will run Linux. Overall the order for PRODUCTION machines goes like this: Mac > Linux > BSD > Windows > OS/2.
By Izzybaz at 12:47 AM ON 09/16/06
Weighing in as the average user (i.e. not a computer engineer, but fairly technologically savvy), and as someone who has both PC and Mac, I have this to say:
Not once have I ever got a virus or spyware on my Mac, nor has it ever failed to perform beautifully.
My PC has been victim (until I got a router) to a few viruses and tons of spyware.
I also agree not being able to use all the new games is kind of a relief. I can't keep up with all the new video cards, processors and whatnot that are needed to run these games. I'm quite happy to have an XBOX and a PS2 for that (which are now outdated, too!).
My vote? Mac for stability and all around ease of use. PC if what you want is a gaming machine (and are willing to put in the funds to keep it current).
By timur at 7:33 PM ON 09/16/06
Wow, the same stupid arguments and the same stupid counter-arguments that I've heard hundreds of times already. What a waste of time.
By melenor at 7:45 PM ON 09/17/06
PC - Gaming
Mac - Art (graphics, music, ....)
and almost everything else is perference, you decide wither you want make or PC, all this fighting about how good, the interface, that differs form person to person i have both i personally perfer my PC running a Windows XP Media Center edition, over my iMac, whei first used a Mac i didn't kno what to do.
now i do my picture editing on my iMac and everything else on my PC
Also what about linux i have tried it, it's okay stills needs a few things but Linux XGL looks better then all the rest.
Spyware and Virus
spyware and virus are made for two reasons in mind to get data/information, or to cause havoc. and the biggest reason for Macs getting effected less then Linux or Windows is because Macs are used by the smallest number of people. more people use linux. Macs actually have worse protection againt Virus and spyware because it is so simple, but no one really feels a need to make viruses and spyware for macs
By AdrianStaicu at 10:24 PM ON 09/17/06
It is strange that in comparison between Mac and PC people talk very much about OS X and Windows XP. I think this article is more Apple OS vs. Microsoft OS.
I personally like the idea used when building a Mac computer. All hardware is tested so you have a very compatible system. In PC sometimes you might encounter some bugs due to some unknown conflicts in the hardware. Also I love the cooling system used in Apple G5 tower. I don't think you can find that in any PC unless you start to customize it. Apple made sure you buy a reliable computer so I trust there judgment even though I never had an Apple computer.
I can't say anything about OS X, but from what I've notice Windows XP got better starting from SP2. I installed my system 1 year ago and still work. Usually it took me 2-3 months to break it and get a blue screen. Also I have over 150 different programs and applications installed. The start menu has 5 columns of programs and it crossed to the secondary monitor. So yes I have a lot of software installed, all kind of demos, trials and program made by unknown editors. Probably Microsoft development team had a lot to do with this or is just the fact I changed my motherboard and RAM since my old one was burned out by an electric problem in the power source. Also Windows is the target for all viruses and exploits. But it's nothing that a good antivirus can't fix. And I've read somewhere that Microsoft might end up in developing the best security on the market, just because there are so may people to find bugs, backdoors and all possible exploits.
Another thing I heard was that Apple will switch to Intel CPU and use the x86 architecture. If this is true, then you could install Windows XP on a Mac.
I'll have to conclude that OS is not so important when comparing Mac vs. PC. Also isn't Mac a brand and PC an acronym. It's like comparing Dell vs. PC or IBM vs. PC. Hardware plays a key role in all this.
So "I don't think very much of this comparison" either. It's mostly OS X vs. Windows XP. So why not include some versions of Linux, and why not the XGL desktop. I think XGL will be even more exciting then Vista. I can't say for sure, I haven't actually tested it yet.
By Pixcutter at 12:07 PM ON 09/19/06
This is a pointless debate. If you are Mac user, that's your machine of choice. If you use a Windows PC, that's your choice. Both systems have both good and bad points. Apple's are more expensive (they have to be, since they don't have the mass sales to amortize the development costs. And just because Apple writes most of the software doesn't make it better, as good as they are, Apple software engineers don't know everything.
Becasue of my profession (video editor) I use Avid on both platforms. The do crash differently, but the BOTH crash. So for the potential buyer, pick what you like, when it all comes out at the end, they really are about equal.
By lylehm at 4:13 AM ON 09/21/06
I couldn't resist chiming in on this one.
In the area of value, I suggest interested parties configure a Quad-Zeon Mac Pro and a comparable Dell. I used the Dell Precision Workstation 690 and set it as closely as I could to the Mac Pro with a NVIDIA Quadro FX 4500 512MB video card. This video card adds significantly to the cost of both machines, but it is the only one that overlaps both units. I added Apple's extended warranty of 3 years on-site service. I left Dell's service option at the default 3 years. Both machines were configured with 802.11 and Bluetooth options.
The Dell cost was $5149
The Mac Pro was $4477.
So, the Mac is $672 cheaper!
Even if you buy a copy of Windows XP Pro and Parallels Virtual Desktop which allows you to run Windows and the Mac OS side by side, you're still ahead in the price war.
I'm surprised the original debate didn't mention this rather significant comparison.
The other aspect of this debate worthy of mention is the continuing costs of Windows based machines. The average user is just not as savvy as the kind of folks that normally share their opinions in forums such as this. Many users find their Windows machines constantly under new attacks and they just can't keep up with all the anti-this-and-that strategies.
I so frequently hear co-workers, friends, and family complaining about how their Windows machine has become bogged down with ad/spyware or some worm, trojan, or virus. Worst case, they bought a "value" PC which required they build their own restore CDs and of course, never grabbed the 12 blank CDs to get the job done. So, their cheap PC resulted in the purchase of a full Windows installer and a visit from the Geek Squad. I typically hear figures like $300-$500 to resolve these fiascos. Mmmm... Value.
Yes, I know that an experienced Windows user knows how to keep ahead of the advancing line of attacks. Sadly, so many people don't have the time or the ability to screw with it. With that in mind, the Mac really starts to shine in long term cost comparisons. Add in the immediate cost benefit of the Mac Pro and I believe we have a clear winner.
All the best,
Lyle
By lwvirden at 9:25 AM ON 09/21/06
wow - what a lame comparison. For instance, anyone who does an honest comparison of price, outfitting both machines as closely as possible with both hardware AND software, quickly discoveres that the Dell costs more than the Mac - there's a LOT of software that comes with the Mac.
As for the lame argument that people don't care about how a computer looks, either externally or on the screen, that obviously doesn't match the real world, where people make such a big deal over personalizing desktops, icons, and so forth. And will they spend money on the looks? Just look, in the windows world, on the number of companies selling screensavers, wallpaper, icons, fonts, and various desktop environments. There are too many to count...
By wgfinley at 10:15 AM ON 09/21/06
If you have a PC that's your machine of choice and same for the Mac? That's just plain silly. For 22 years I was a user of MS products first DOS and then Windows, I built my last 5 PCs myself from scratch.
Then I took a flyer on a G4 PowerBook because I had heard Photoshop tends to thrive just a bit better. That was my first Mac and I haven't looked back since. The overclocked Windows rig started getting used less and less. My GF6800 bit the dust in it two weeks ago and I would have been up in arms over that and immediately scrambling for a $500 card to replace it with (I always find the "PCs are cheaper than Macs" thing hilarious when I think of what I've spent on graphics cards). Instead I said "my MacBook Pro's X1600 rocks, why bother with that rig anymore?" and chucked an old GF5500 in it and moved it to my son's room.
People do switch, the iPod started it for me -- I figured that any company that could make a device so polished, so intuitive such a JOY to use instead of a pain in the butt, I had to give their machines a try and I haven't looked back since. All those iPod praises carry directly over to the Macs, I never really ENJOYED using my Windows box, I coaxed it to get it to do the things I wanted to do, my Mac lets me get the job done without the headache and that makes me more productive and more creative, I spend my time creating instead of fiddling with drviers and firewalls and anti-viruses and spyware and...... sorry, was just on my work laptop and I made the stupid mistake of closing the lid before shutting down so now I'm waiting the requisite 5 minutes or so before XP starts working correctly again. Gee, I never have that happen on my MacBook Pro....
By aartworks at 11:01 AM ON 09/21/06
As an end user that depends on my software for my livelihood, I find the Mac is simply lacking in the "necessities" of my business. I often use a Cad-Cam package that is not even available for Mac units. Though, they have been unsuccessfully tested. Other software, like Corel Draw does not keep up with the Mac OS, and often prints unpredictable results, especially with color separations.(CYMK) Non-standard page foramts have also given me trouble in Mac paradigms.
I have used dedicated Mac software with excellent results, but for the price, it is more economical and business to business friendly to continue to use a PC.
By redjack47 at 2:09 PM ON 09/21/06
I was a faithful PC player from the old Texas Inst. days. My brother-in-law kept doging me to switch for years. Not until I got into my MFA program in Screenwriting & Film Study did I start doing my 'indies' on a 'mac' with Final Cut Pro. After that intro, there was no going back through the looking glass. The time shift was only 5 years ago but if felt like a quantom leap. My wife still complaines that there are too many security shields but I do not have the virus problems nor the worm-holes that she and so many other pc system user's still have to contend with on a daily basis. I do not know if Apple will change it's markiting concept of launching each new operating system with an aggressive hostile predator name but it does seem to prey well on the competition.
By araloran at 2:43 PM ON 09/21/06
This argument has been time and time again,and it has never managed to convert anyone one way or the other. When are people gonna wake up and realize Mac v. PC is stupid. It's a preference thing and a lifestyle thing. You use what works best for you and what you are most comfortable with. I like my Mac because that's what I was raised on. However, I have no problem using a PC. The differences are minor. Unless you're very specific in your needs, who cares? They both have thier up sides and thier down sides. Writing one more article stating the same thing people have been saying since Apples actually looked like the happy computer logo is pointless and waste of breath and space.
By legogate at 12:16 AM ON 09/22/06
It does not matter what computer is "the" best (i however am a mac person). Some people say that it is hard to use PC's if they have a mac, and others say that it is hard to use a mac if they have a PC. I don't really care about making catagories for the computers (ex. "nerds" and "pretty boy"). I think that most people think that learning a different computer is hard because they have grown around a certain type of computer, but both types of computers are easy to control.
By sfmobius at 1:16 AM ON 09/22/06
Salt in the wound, I plan on buying the new MAC 17" laptop for it's aesthetic design and running just windows vista on it.
As long as MAC limits itself to such a small pool of developers it will always be 2nd place. Windows dominates due to its versatility. Most folks don't want to run two operating systems just to get everything done. The bunk about MAC's being more secure is an illusion. Hackers target windows because it IS the most widely available system. As MAC gains in popularity, many flaws are popping up as well as viruses written to target MACs.
MAC makes a beautiful system however, it IS prone to lockups, it doesn't really matter if it it's more or less. If it locks up, it loses.
The good news is now that MAC has gained some market share, windows is paying attention. Vista is a prime example of the Microsoft crowd realizing aesthetics does matter. Eventually MAC and XP will be so similar it won't matter anymore.
By Thuses at 2:01 PM ON 09/22/06
I've just got a few things to say here.... Microsloth (oops, spelling, should be Micosoft) cannot keep up with the advancing pace of technology. Vista should of been out at least 1 year ago. With the AMD 4 core CPU coming out next year Micorsoft will spent the next 30 years trying to write the next OS, which will be out of date by the time it gets to the people. Doesn't Intel already have a 4 core production CPU on the market now? Does a Mac or PC have the ability to fully use it....I know a PC can't, but since I'm not a Mac user I can't say yes or no.
As far as holes in the system, Windows has thousanads of them, that WAS 1 of the main reasons Micosoft was writing Vista (but they scrapped that arcitecture). Macs probably have more holes in it, but as others have already noted the spyware,malware,trojans, and the rest are aimed at PC's now and will be aimed at Macs in the future as there popularity rises. You can find plenty of FREE programs to remove/stop them on a PC.
By mckinnm at 3:38 PM ON 09/22/06
Just a few points:
1. Only Mac users care which platform is better. Actually not entirely true, but nearly so. I would bet that less than 1 percent of PC users have ever given any thought whatsoever to Macs.
2. Mac hardware is deliberately designed to be different. You can argue endlessly over whether that means better or worse, but listen to almost any talk Steve Jobs has ever given and it will be readily apparent that he has no interest in being "compatible" with anything or anyone.
3. The true test of a Mac is the OS and not the hardware. Until Apple makes their OS platform independent all comparisons are meaningless.
4. Anyone who buys a computer just because it works with their iPod is an idiot.
By sgeo1 at 4:23 AM ON 09/23/06
Even the sardonic "for the first time ever" can't save this rabble-rousing stinker of an article.
But look at y'all getting all hot and bothered over your precious PC's and Macs!
It's the same stoopid shit as Ford vs. Chevy or Pepsi vs. Coke, people...
There are no winners in these wars, just losers. You and yer dumb-$$$$ supporting your brand when, admit it, there's really no difference...
By astronometer at 3:16 AM ON 09/24/06
Okay everybody, let's see a show of hands for all of you who like building your own computer from the ground up? Ah, I see lots of hands out there. Okay, how many of you have built your own Mac computer from the ground up? What's that? I don't see any hands! Oh, that's right you CAN'T build your own computer, because Apple won't let you. If they can't built it for you, then they don't want you to have it!
So let's see, Apple offers a handful of graphics boards, a handful of sound cards, a handful of....hmmm, not a large selection there to build your computer from, is there?
Well, let's look at the Wintel computers, oh my god, look at the hundreds of boards for everything! Geez, with all those boards, I imagine that Windows might run into a few problems trying to keep all the possible configurations of hardware and software compatible. I guess that might explain why Wintel machines crash a little more often than the Macs.
Oh, and software, whenever I look for new software to do a specific job, I never looked to see if it was MAC compatible, because it seldom is, it's always ported to a Wintel machine....especially the software that is only available for download on the Internet. I never have a problem finding software that does what I need it to do, and I laugh when I hear Mac users making comments like, "There is software out there that does everything that I need it to do"......Yeah, because you HAVE to. You're stuck with the small amount of software that's available to you, so you HAVE to make do with it.
I used a MAC once, I bought a new MAC for my daughter for school. It locked up on me 5 minutes after I started using it. I thought it was the most primitive, overpriced piece of junk I had ever used. I wouldn't give you 2 cents for one. Her MAC now sits in the basement gathering dust....what a waste of money.
Pretty?....Elegant?...Who the heck cares? Those people sound like women! My computer sits in a cubby hole under my computer desk. I don't give a darn what it looks like, because I don't look at it. It's a tool....just like a hammer. Do you care if your hammer is pretty? Would you be happier if your hammer had a pretty flowery design on it? Geez people, I mean, isn't the fact that it's working and doing what you need it to do, the most important aspect of a computer? And if you are limited to the software that will help you get that job done, it's that a huge negative? So why buy a Mac?...oh that's right it's pretty.....
By DarrianAshoka at 2:23 AM ON 09/25/06
My wife and I are sick and tired of PCs freezing up and crashing, as well as fighting spyware and viruses. I bought her a Apple laptop and later a desktop, thinking she would be able to abandon her PC. She has had to run both machines on our desk for several months now with no end in sight. The PC emulators and dual boot on her Mac would open her up for viruses on her new machine, so she does not dare to try it. We were also told it would not run as fast through the PC emulator.
The soft ware cost to replace all the PC programs we use is also taking us a lot longer than expected. She also cannot run some web sites like imvu.com 3-D chat on her Mac, so we are stuck running these 3 computers with 3 different monitors on one desk. She is able to multi task like never before, but it is tricky to keep track of which keyboard to use when typing.
As to simplicity and good looking, the computer market as a whole has been scrambling to make these as common as any household appliance. People need it to be as simple to operate as a TV set, when just programming the VCR proved to be too difficult. Unless they are in the TV repair business, who do you know that is comfortable opening up their TV set to replace some circuit boards to fix or upgrade it? Her Mac desktop computer may not be very easily upgradeable, as it is tightly built into the back of the monitor, but it is a marvel in clean looks and simplicity to setup. It does not need ΒΌ the wires to connect, and then need to try and hide them all.
I cannot hardly wait for the time when we can both convert and drop-kick our PC nightmare.
By Belzebubba at 1:33 PM ON 10/24/06
Dont hate the Mac, hate the Mac owner.
After 8 yrs doing dev on BSD and being primarily a win user as far as recreational use of a computer goes I must chime in with my theory that Mac users are neo-hippie outcast that have even less skills using a computer then the millions of win zombies that populate the earth. Why? Ever ask a mac user what their IP is? Or to open a command shell? Its like asking grandma why the sky is blue. Allthough the answer may be amusing at the end of a long day its still just clouds in the sky like the homo-erotic rainbow apple logo on your mac lovin bumpers.
By MiamiJoe at 1:58 PM ON 11/30/06
I'd really like to see 2 separate comparisons. One for OS (Mac OS vs. Windows XP) and one for hardware (Mac vs. Dell for example). Maybe even a Windows XP running on a Dell vs. Windows XP running on a Mac. One of the things I would be especially interested in for the hardware comparison would be the durability, especially for laptops which can get knocked around.
By ive at 11:18 PM ON 08/28/08
I perfer a pc over a mac i think they are much easer to work with than a mac. plus there are mor pc than macs so what does that tell you? pcs are easer to work with and more affordable, who cares if you spend more money on 'looks' id rather spend it on performance and even if everything is 'out of date' it is still useable, you can up grade a windows os easer than a mac too lot harder to install a mac i found that out. I'd say if you want better looks get a mac if you want more preformance and relibilty get a pc, you can alway 'spice it up' later.
By Jason Oak at 12:06 PM ON 10/08/08
I recently bought an imac 24inch 3.06 GHz and can safely say that i have no problems whatsoever.. other than a few issues with boot camp.
I have no choice but to have a mac, because i use both AutoCAD (PC) and various other software that is only available on mac.
I've not really used Vista much, but the fact that it has 'stolen' so many ideas from the Mac OS speaks for itself. Although a lot of my friends (who are hardcore PC gamers) simply say that the shiney bits on vista heighten speed issues.
A good example of why i believe macs are better is that quite simply from taking delivery of my mac to actually using it was a 10 minute process. My (ex) Girlfriend but a Vaio laptop shortly after i purchased my mac and when we set it up it took about an hour before it was in a ready to use state. By that i mean required software installed, internet running, updates complete, etc etc. I would argue to the death with anyone who say that is not one piece of the puzzle that means the mac is better. Yes the OS is simpler.. but this is not only good for the novice user, but us experts too.
There is no way i want to spend my days fixing drivers and trying to figure out why my printer/hard drive/camera/mobile phone won't work.
Just a few more things;
Technical support is FREE!
Bluetooth as standard
Startup is fast no matter what
Expose!
Shiney icons (we all love them)
My ram is mine.. not some stupid process that has to run otherwise it crashes
and finally, because mine is an imac.. no stupid tower and cables everywhere.
By jordan at 2:27 AM ON 10/31/08
first have you ever owned a mac
probally not
i have used a pc from the time i was born till i was 17 and when i discovered mac it took all but 10 mins for me to fall in love with them not only do they NEVER get virus they freeze up once a year unlike a pc which will freeze up everytime u use it
its not just looks it proven that a mac can perform better
the only thing a pc is better for is gaming but who needs a computer for games thats what xbox and playstation are for
pc overall suck the freeze up all the time i can start my mac up be on the internet within 45 seconds
it takes atleast 5 -10 mins on my pc to get everything started
and just cause there is more pc than mac is because u can get a cheap ass pc that dosent run worth a shit but it still runs and its not expensive
macs cause up to a 1000 or more but i would much rather spend the extra money on something that is worth it
By UNKNOWN at 2:34 PM ON 01/19/09
dude seriously?
did you honestly just say that a mac never gets a virus?
wow so much to learn.
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